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Merry Christmas, 1997 - Yas Yas I know it's a little late!

Put this in your browser and smoke it.

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: What do SEX dreams really mean?
From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:34:13 GMT

On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:40:53 GMT, mcc@sound.net (Wondering...) wrote:

>Hello all,

Might have been an idea to tell us if you were a male or female. :-)
As you haven't said, and as women are usually more aware in sleep than
most men, I assume you are a female.

>I was wondering what it really means when you dream,
>sexually, about another person?

Dear Ms mcc

The other person "may" be thinking about you sexually and wanting on
physical and/or non physical levels to have a sexual relationship with
you. Keep in mind that rape can occur physically AND non-physically.

How did you feel about your experience ? Did you feel you were taken
advantage of ? If so a remedy is to ensure you ask your guides of the
light to protect you against negative people alive/or dead while you
are asleep and/or learn about psychic protection.

If you enjoyed the experience it could mean that you are sexually
drawn to them this lifetime, a re-run of being that way in a past
life, or both.

>I have to admit it has happened to me. I really have no
>sexual attraction to the person(s)

What you possibly mean is no "physical" attraction. If you had a
strong sexual interest in this person in a past life and now they do
not interest you (in physical looks) then you would have the situation
you describe.

>Would you consider this a form of infidelity?

Depends. YOU set your own moral standards. Plenty of priests, rabbis,
ministers, psychologists etc. would be happy to tell you what to do
BUT at the end of the day it is still YOU who decides.

The "easy" way out is to have no sexual relationships with anyone,
other than a partner, either physically and/or non-physically.

You may keep in mind however that AFAIK nobody has every got 
pregnant by having non-physical sex.  :-)  I do not really think this
is a major problem IF :

(1) The other party is willing i.e. you are both "consenting" .

(2) You still give attention to your actual (physical) partner. Some
people actually TELL their partner ! Not such a crazy idea as it might
sound. What would happen if you were in bed with your partner called
"Harry" and you thought of your dream lover "Tom" and accidently said
his name ?

Could be a bit hard to *explain*.   Saying Tom is someone you
know in a dream might NOT go down so well at that stage.  :-)
Keep in mind though that IF your partner is very jealous and/or very
straight laced then it might be recommended that you DON'T tell him.

Regards, John.

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Babita and the Butthole Gurus
From: magix@ix.netcom.com (Two Dolphins )
Date: 12 Jul 1996 15:48:54 GMT

What a weird dream.

First I was with my two sons. We had to drop off some supplies at a
research facility where they did research on tigers. Anyway, this
strange looking scientist shows up at the door and asked my kids if the
want a tour. I waited outside. While waiting in the parking lot, I
noticed there where little booths you can buy insence, so I started
buying insence. My kids came out and I asked my oldest son to park my
car for me. They left with the car and didn't come back.

I was looking for my car, walking through the streets. It was a trashy,
scary neighborhood. After walking and walking I saw my car just beyond
some railroad tracks. There was a man standing on the tracks and he was
the one who decided if you can cross over the tracks. There ws a woman
in front of me who was trying to get through. He beat her severly in
the head with a tire iron, then let her in.

Then it was my turn. I realized I may have to get my head beat as well,
but saw no other alternative. Besides, the street was crawling with
scum. I approached the man. He grabbed me by the neck---but then he
said, ' in order to get through this, you must go to tibet and study to
be our guru. If you do this, I will let you have your car'  At that
point I thought it was best to agree, because once I had my car I could
run away.

Then he had some other man come out. The man had a deck of tarot cards.
He put down the tarot cards ( somehow now there are hundreds of monks
sitting on the side of the street) and began to cry. He showed the
cards to the first man who also began to cry. He said  'Babita it is
you, our long lost GURU' Of course, I was scared, so I agreed. Then I
sat down. All these monks----most of them drinking beer---were sitting
with us. They start to ask me questions about the universe and
infinity---and I gave the best answers I could. Everyone was crying.

So, they decided to let me in BUT I could not get to my car and make an
escape because everyone was following me. They took me to this small
smoke filled room where I was supposed to do a tantric sex act with the
two men


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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Last Year's Man
From: "Catherine A. Murphy" 
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:13:21 -0700

I don't think I can explain the song, but I'd like to talk about the 
lyrics.  They are just wonderful, aren't they?

--------------------------------------------------
Last year's man, with a crayon in his hand, is sitting at his drawing 
table under the skylight. He hasn't drawn in a while; his unfinished 
blueprint has grown crisp with age, has rolled back and torn away at the 
corners.  The useless thumbtacks throw shadows on the table.  It is 
raining, and the rain drums on the skylight.

He thinks about a woman he loved, his Joan of Arc.  He was part of her 
army, one of her soldiers.  I wonder if she had to pretend for him to. He 
will not regret or be jealous of her other lovers;  he wears the same 
uniform.  He will not fight those wounded boys she lies beside. They are 
his friends; they are his brothers.

He thinks about the sexual ceremony:  the wedding, Bethlehem the inflamed 
bridegroom; Babylon the trembling bride. They fall together.  The veil is 
lifted; he hangs; he hoists; he goes back to where it all began.  Their 
bodies are bibles bound in blood and skin. They read their 
pleasant bibles.

The rain is still falling and last year's man is still sitting.  An hour 
has gone by; he has not moved his hand.

Cathy
--------------------------------------------


Robert Robillard wrote:
> 
> Talango2 wrote:
> >
> > Would anyone care to try to explain this song to me?  I realize it's about
> > the bible, etc., but it's so full of symbolism that I get a little lost.
> > Anyone feel the same way?
> >
> > Lauren
> 
> Wish I could help you LG but it is a mystery too. Salut bien!!!


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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Save Earth from Destruction
From: tom chalko 
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 16:28:56 +1100

SAVE EARTH FROM DESTRUCTION 
Public Lecture by Michel Desmarquet, author of "Abduction to the 9th 
Planet"

Coming very soon: TOTAL destruction of life on Earth, with NO SECOND 
CHANCE, 
unless all peolpe unite in immediate conscious action. This is NOT a 
theory,
it happened on other planets already. The reason is our own ignorance and 
continuing arogant approach to Nature. We do not understand what we do...
Michel brings advice from the most advanced beings in our Galaxy.

Lectures: 
Sat 12 Oct 4:30pm Public Lecture Theatre, Melbourne University
Mon 14 Oct 6:30pm Rotunda Theatre R5, Monash University
Sat 19 Oct 12:00 noon Public Lecture Theatre, Melbourne University

more details:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/michel.htm

Reservations recommended (limited number of seats) 
Dr Tom J. Chalko, University of Melbourne, Australia, email: 
tjc@mame.mu.oz.au

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Newsgroups: wi.madison.general,wi.general,alt.jobs,il.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract,us.jobs,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: US-WI - Cobol Programmer/Analysts- Urgent Need!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:53:29 GMT

We are currently in need of Cobol programmers who are used to working
in a mainframe AS/400 environment.  Excellent pay and benefits.  This
is a longer term contract position.  Please email a binary resume
ASAP.
All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect
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Contact:

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Newsgroups: alt.jobs,chi.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.madison.general,wi.general,misc.jobs.contract,us.jobs,milw.jobs,milw.general
Subject: US-WI-Immediate need for Network Engineer
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:53:45 GMT

Immediate opening - Network Engineer - needs wide Novell experience,
CAN/CNE a plus, certification of Novell 4.1 and added plus.
Experience in installation, configuration, repair, set-up, etc.
Another added plus is strong PC hardware knowledge.  Located in
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Contact:

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Newsgroups: alt.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.general,us.jobs,milw.general,milw.jobs
Subject: US-WI-UNIX Administrator- Urgent Need!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:03 GMT

UNIX Administrator needed!  Ideal candidate will have 4 years hands-on
experience, 2 years specifically with UNIX  Systems.  Experience with
media distribution and scripting languages required.  Will perform
compilation of various platforms (standard and project related).  Will
develop and enhance scripts -  KORN shell and PERL for system
adminstration.  Located in Milwaukee area. Permanent candidates only,
excellent pay and benefits.
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Newsgroups: us.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.general,milw.jobs,milw.general,alt.jobs
Subject: US-WI-Software Engineer- Immediate Opening!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:09 GMT

Candidates must have UNIX experience for real-time embedded software..
Located in the Milwaukee area, this is a 6 month contract position -
but may be renewed for exceptional candidates.  Medical industry
experience a plus.  3-5 years experience in microprocessors,
micro-controllers or array processors a plus.  TI DSP C30  experience
and interleaf a plus.  Excellent pay and benefits.
All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect
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Contact:

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Subject: US-WI Software Validator - Urgent Need!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:16 GMT

Position entails the validation of tutorials under development for
functionality such as checking buttons and voice overs.  Experience on
UNIX, multimedia development, Metacard, Hypertext or Authorware a
plus.  Located in a Milwaukee suburb.  Excellent pay & benefits.
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Subject: US-WI-Project Leader & Project Manager - Immediate Opening!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:22 GMT

Knowledge of automated warehousing industry with UNIX, Oracle, SQL,
relational databases and C programming skills required.  Travel is
required for this permanent position, perhaps some internationally.
This company's home base is located near Milwaukee.  Excellent pay and
benefits.
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Subject: US-WI-Senior Database Administrator - Urgent Need!
From: omega@xnet.com (Omega Technical)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:28 GMT

Job requires Oracle installation and upgrades for internal and
external customers.  Must have 5 years relational database
administration, must be able to exercise strong priority and
multi-task capabilities under high-pressure situations  Experience
with 3rd party database management/development software
(eg.S-Designer, Easy DBA) a definite plus.  Permanent position in a
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: New Dylan Album !!!
From: Glenn Cooper 
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:32:17 +1100

At 00:23 26/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Dan Mayshar  wrote:
>
>> let's give him a hand with some songs we think are really
>>perfect for the solo-guitar-and harp next album?
>>
>> 1. illinois blues (skip james [1931]). it's perfect for you, bob.
>> 2. lady gay (trad.). you will chill the western world out of
>>existance if you do this one... pretty please, bob...
>> 3. you hurt me (little willie john did this. [who wrote it?]) you can
>>sing soul music, bob, just give it a try. and while you're at it:
>> 4. get on the good foot (james brown).
>> 5. i'm going home (clifton chenier) try and get tabu ley rochereau,
>>make it a duet. cool.
>
>here's a few more requests, bob:
>
>6. Pinecone In The Window (carl lefevre).  i mean, why not?
>7. Teddy Bears Picnic (eleanor roosevelt). everybody's talking about it and
>it's probably even better to hear somebody actually sing it, even if they
>only use, like, their voice, and maybe a koto. c'mon! wail on this one!
>8.Yesterdays (jerome kern - otto harbach)  even Red Sovine is afraid of
>this one. you could, like, really break it down old school! do guitar
>solos, even. lots and lots of 'em. more and more guitar solos. riffs.
>fragments. random phrases, whatever you like.
>9. Um Um Um Um (curtis mayfield)-ground control to Major Lance!
>10. The Bonny Bonny Stereoscopic Wee Lass In The Bleedin' Daguerrotype
>(brendan shirts). has a very nice chord variation at verse 114. You might
>want to check it out.
>11. I Stepped In A Pile Of You And Got Love All Over Me (chet red and/or
>harlan peck?).  do it in that way cool"sign on the cross" voice!  Make us
>believe it!
>12. Kung Fu Fighting (Tze Pho) seems so obvious now that i mention it, huh?
>we're waiting! You could even end all your live concerts with this instead
>of that one about drugs that you wrote a long time ago.
>
>thanks,
>max
>
What about:

1. I'd Rather A Bottle In Front Of Me Than A Frontal Lobotomy.
2. I've Never Been To Bed With An Ugly Woman But I've Sure Woken Up With A Few.
3. They Don't Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore.
4. Drop Kick Me Through The Goalposts of Love.


That's it,

Glenn C.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: lenny bruce's genius: a skeleton key
From: ravenflm@primenet.com (charles castell)
Date: 27 Nov 1996 20:46:01 -0700

8825 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, California
February 1, 1964

Mr. John Brogan
Attorney at Law
145 State Street
Springfield, Massachusetts

Dear John:

I'm out of money, the tax is late on my 
house, and the Detroit Board of censors 
is telling the owner I can't come in on 
the March 1st date. . . They keep arresting 
me for being sick and taking medicine -- a 
non-narcotic, Methedrine.  When I was in 
San Francisco, I had a siege of narcolepsy 
and I called the hotel doctor and was refused.  
He told me he didn't want to get involved.

This has happened in several cities.  In 
Miami, I was arrested for possession of 
insulin needles used for the administration 
of Methedrine.  Dr. Trop had to come to 
court, and for the third time I was forced 
to hire counsel to defend myself and received 
unfavorable press nationwide.  At the time of 
the arrest, the policeman was two blocks from 
the doctor's office, and the doctor was in.  
I begged him to verify the medication for 
syringes that were properly labeled.  He 
refused, based on a strict interpretation 
of the Penal Code.  Apparently he did not 
read the preamble found in all penal codes.

If you can get a Writ of Prohibition, it'll 
give me a breather from a few special peace 
officers who have used our system to suit 
their personal whim, which I'm sure is 
motivated by their early religious 
training -- a training that teaches the 
strong, the odious rich and the wealthy, 
as opposed to the weak, poor, and honest.    
Sparse, bare self-sacrifice, self-denial 
are all descriptions of unreal culture that 
propagates lies that may be evidenced in our 
daily lives; i.e., the Secret Service 
agent who received a medal for risking 
his life at President Kennedy's assassination 
site -- received the medal, I assume, for 
the following deeds:

He pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into the car 
and covered her body with his own -- therefore 
risking his life to aid the President 
and save the First Lady's life.

_Time_ Magazine showed the very same 
pictures, but the captions told the 
typical, self-sacrificing bullshitting 
story.  The picture of her saving her ass 
scrambling out of the convertible is 
captioned, in substance, "The President's
wife going to get help for her injured
husband," and perhaps I could not form
a conclusion that this was an untruth
if it were not for the compounding 
of that lie in the next caption that showed 
the peace officer pushing her back into 
the car, and that one said she was helping 
him aboard.

In a culture where their standard is based 
on lies and truths, their standard is that 
lies are bad.  They lied.  The villainous 
part of the lie is that when other husbands 
are shot and wives flee so their faces will 
not be blown away, they will feel guilt that 
they are not the wife that the President's 
wife was.

How this relates to the early religious 
training that rejects medicine, is: If you're 
a man, you need no "crutch" -- your cortisones, 
your Bisimith and McFarsen's, your plastic 
surgery. . .  If the Lord wanted you to 
have a straight back and eyes and nose, He 
would have born you that way; and it's the 
work of the devil to put chimanzee kidneys 
into the stomach of Man and take eyes from 
the dead.

Coffee, tea, milk, pillow, blankets, martinis, 
and sweets and scented soaps and all those 
"crutches" relate to pleasure, pleasure, 
pleasure, pleasure are Satan's tools.  What 
right has man to pleasure?  A real man 
sleeps in the woods and wipes his ass with 
Saran Wrap, and good women douche with lye.

And thus that Moffit Field incident where 
soldiers were kneeling over with spinal 
meningitis.  Sulfa drugs, that had heretofore 
been considered the panacea by those afflicted 
and those who cured the afflicted, had failed.  
Was prayer the answer?  I think not.  For they 
found they had been spitting the pills out, 
and I've been given to understand this is quite 
a common problem with doctors who receive 
answers from those persons who spit the 
pills out, that they "won't fill their bodies 
full of those poisons, those dangerous drugs."  
And those mood elevators -- if you have any 
needs at all, you syphilitc weakling, get 
on your knees, Brother.

The religious person who would be repulsed 
at reading this, I suggest you get on your 
knees for your un-Christlike attitude towards 
one who knows: "Forgive him for he knows . . ."

I can earn a living and I promise I'll give 
you the first dollar from every two 
earned, the money I owe you for Nashville, 
Tennessee and this request for a Federal 
Writ of Prohibition to keep those brothers 
clothed in love from killing me in the 
interest of Justice.

Another arrest, a secret indictment, is 
coming February 25.  Someone told me.  I 
don't know for what, but the next arrest 
finds me with no bail, no counsel and, 
at this writing, I have no money for 
attorneys.

And I resist charity.  This resistance, I 
am aware, is because of a behemoth ego, the 
cause of all my problems.

Very truly yours,
Lenny Bruce




_The Almost Unpublished Lenny Bruce: from the Private 
Collection of Kitty Bruce_; ISBN 089471-259-4




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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Lyrics to "Please Don't Pass Me By"
From: clamfeet@aol.com
Date: 27 Nov 1996 16:00:00 GMT

I believe they should be on 
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/cpage/Leonard_Cohen/lyrics/

(But here they are:)
Please Don't Pass Me By (A Disgrace)
I was walking in New York City and I brushed up against the man in front
of
me. I felt a cardboard placard on his back. And when we passed a
streetlight,
I could read it, it said "Please don't pass me by - I am blind, but you
can
see - I've been blinded totally - Please don't pass me by." I was walking
along 7th Avenue, when I came to 14th Street I saw on the corner curious
mutilations of the human form; it was a school for handicapped people. And
there were cripples, and people in wheelchairs and crutches and it was
snowing,
and I got this sense that the whole city was singing this:
Oh please don't pass me by,
oh please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, but you can see,
yes, I've been blinded totally,
oh please don't pass me by.
And you know as I was walking I thought it was them who were singing it, I
thought it was they who were singing it, I thought it was the other who
was
singing it, I thought it was someone else. But as I moved along I knew it
was
me, and that I was singing it to myself. It went:
Please don't pass me by,
oh please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, but you can see,
well, I've been blinded totally,
oh please don't pass me by.
Oh please don't pass me by.
Now I know that you're sitting there deep in your velvet seats and you're
thinking "Uh, he's up there saying something that he thinks about, but
I'll
never have to sing that song." But I promise you friends, that you're
going
to be singing this song: it may not be tonight, it may not be tomorrow,
but
one day you'll be on your knees and I want you to know the words when the
time comes. Because you're going to have to sing it to yourself, or to
another,
or to your brother. You're going to have to learn to sing this song, it
goes:
Please don't pass me by,
ah you don't have to sing this .. not for you.
Please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, but you can see,
yes, I've been blinded totally,
oh please don't pass me by.
Well I sing this for the Jews and the Gypsies and the smoke that they
made.
And I sing this for the children of England, their faces so grave. And I
sing
this for a saviour with no one to save. Hey, won't you be naked for me?
Hey,
won't you be naked for me? It goes:
Please don't pass me by,
oh please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, but you can see,
yes, I've been blinded totally,
oh now, please don't pass me by.
Now there's nothing that I tell you that will help you connect the blood
tortured night with the day that comes next. But I want it to hurt you, I
want it to end. Oh, won't you be naked for me? Oh now:
Please don't pass me by,
oh please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, but you can see,
but I've been blinded totally,
oh, please don't pass me by.
Well I sing this song for you Blonde Beasts, I sing this song for you
Venuses
upon your shells on the foam of the sea. And I sing this for the freaks
and
the cripples, and the hunchback, and the burned, and the burning, and the
maimed, and the broken, and the torn, and all of those that you talk about
at
the coffee tables, at the meetings, and the demonstrations, on the
streets,
in your music, in my songs. I mean the real ones that are burning, I mean
the
real ones that are burning
I say, please don't pass me by,
oh now, please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, yeah but you can see,
ah now, I've been blinded totally,
oh no, please don't pass me by.
I know that you still think that its me. I know that you think that
there's
somebody else. I know that these words aren't yours. But I tell you
friends
that one day
You're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down on your knees,
you're going to get down ..
Oh, please don't pass me by,
oh, please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, yeah but you can see,
yes, I've been blinded totally,
oh, please don't pass me by.
Well you know I have my songs and I have my poems. I have my book and I
have
the army, and sometimes I have your applause. I make some money, but you
know
what my friends, I'm still out there on the corner. I'm with the freaks,
I'm
with the hunted, I'm with the maimed, yes I'm with the torn, I'm with the
down,
I'm with the poor. Come on now ...
Ah, please don't pass me by,
well I've got to go now friends,
but, please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, yeah but you can see,
oh, I've been blinded, I've been blinded totally,
oh now, please don't pass me by.
Now I want to take away my dignity, yes take my dignity. My friends, take
my
dignity, take my form, take my style, take my honour, take my courage,
take
my time, take my time, .. time .. 'Cause you know I'm with you singing
this
song. And I wish you would, I wish you would, I wish you would go home
with
someone else. Wish you'd go home with someone else. I wish you'd go home
with
someone else. Don't be the person that you came with. Oh, don't be the
person
that you came with, Oh don't be the person that you came with. Ah, I'm not
going to be. I can't stand him. I can't stand who I am. That's why I've
got to
get down on my knees. Because I can't make it by myself. I'm not by myself
anymore because the man I was before he was a tyrant, he was a slave, he
was
in chains, he was broken and then he sang:
Oh, please don't pass me by,
oh, please don't pass me by,
for I am blind, yes I am blind, Oh but you can see,
yes, I've been blinded totally,
oh, please don't pass me by.
Well I hope I see you out there on the corner. Yeah I hope as I go by that
I
hear you whisper with the breeze. Because I'm going to leave you now, I'm
going to find me someone new. Find someone knew.
And please don't pass me by.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Reflections on Isis
From: Lennart Frimodig 
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:43:58 +0200

Friday evening. Tired as a half-dead horse. Trying to make a
living as a small-time entrepreneur is an constant invitation to
anxiety. At least in Sweden.

Preparing for the weekend with gloegg (a strong wine with spice),
something we swedes like to drink before christmas. (Almost like
lutfisk, but better for the nerves.)

And listening to Isis from Desire. For one hour, two hours or
three. If you have a CD-player with remote control it=B4s easy.

Dylan is a friend. A story-teller. Or perhaps a painter of images
that don=B4t really connect. He is someone you can listen to and
make your blues go away. A lot of fun, and lines that make you
want to cry.

The violin and the harmonica are in the class of the
guitarist Duane Allman on "Loan me a dime" or Allman/Clapton on
"Layla".

Lines like:

"... the snow was outrageous."
"I still can=B4t remember all the best things she said."

And to hear Dylan sing:

"She said, "Where ya been?" I said, "No place special."
She said, "You look different." I said, "Well, I guess."
She said, "You been gone." I said, "That=B4s only natural."
She said, "You gonna stay?" I said, "If ya want me to, yes"

really shows him to be a great singer and rock
artist.

You have to listen to him sing to get the real experience! Reading
poetry can=B4t match this!

Lennart Frimodig
Uppsala
Sweden

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: The Future (Natural Born Killers)
From: shorts16@earthlink.net (SA Rasche)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:01:26 -0600

In article <32AF5305.4A5@audiophile.com>, Dave M Miller
 wrote:

> I like this song too, but don't know the lyrics, and my CD was 2nd Hand
> and w/o Book, so could someone pleas post them here?
> 
>         Dave
No problem - The lyrics can be found at the end of this message...

What did the people that saw the film "Natural Born Killers" think of the
major part that Leonard played (via music) in the movie?  I know many
people didn't like the movie - but that's another aspect.

It opens with "Waiting for the Miracle" and ends with "The Future" - plus
"Democracy" was thrown in there during their breakout of the prison.  It
was great hearing his voice in the theater sound - plus with all of the
images (thanks to Stone) made it worth it to see the movie a few times.


Anyway - here are the lyrics to "The Future"

Give me back my broken night
my secret room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!

Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St. Paul
I've seen the future, brotherL
it is murder.

Things are going to slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENET
I wonder what they menat

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servent here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide in all directions....

They'll be a breaking of the ancient western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
They'll be phantoms
they'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You'll see the woman hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets coming round
trying to sound like Charlie Manson.

Give me back the Berlin Wall
give me Stalin and St. Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destory another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide in all directions....

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Newsgroups: sci.space.history
Subject: Re: TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT
From: om@ix.netcom.com ( om)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:49:01 GMT

On 27 Dec 1996 18:11:16 GMT, z007400b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
(Ralph Silverman) wrote:
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>From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>Subject: TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT
>Date: 20 Dec 1996 11:49:56 -0500
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"Gee ma! Lookit the phony headers!! Guess we can't e-mailbomb his ISP
now, huh?"

>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

"Or: How to make a plane crash with Kraft's special blend of cream
cheese!"

>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>The real reason TWA Flight 800 was destroyed

"Once upon a time..."

>Pierre Salinger, respected journalist and former press secretary for the
>Kennedy Administration, was convinced to go public with a document posted
>on the Internet by a person "inside the Government" who has high level
>connections to the TWA Flight 800 investigation.  The Document in question
>described the release of a missile from a Navy ship with an Ageis Missile
>system in a Navy exercise area off the coast of New York's Long Island in
>an area known as Warning area -105

"Dear TWA: 

	We tol' u 2 stay outta r turf. 
	Now u pay de price. 
	Next time, we go affa u in de crib. 

Sincerely, 	
	The Long Island Crips, 105th street chapter.

PS: Tell u homies at American dey be next!"

>I have information regarding the real information hidden within the
>document.  I cannot reveal my idenitity for fear of endangering my life.  

"Hi, my name is Brian Zeller, and I've got this UFO to sell you..."

>Several witnesses on the night of the explosion, including the pilot of a
>New York Air National Guard plane, reported the sighting of "an orange
>streak of light" descending toward Flight 800.  Some have speculated this
>to be a missile, others a meteor and some conspiracy people have suggested
>a UFO.  None of the above of the true.   The truth of this matter will be
>so startling that you will not believe it at first reading but you will
>eventually have to accept it as fact.

"Goddammit, Clark! I told you to wear your glasses when you go out on
patrol! Look at what you hit -this- time!!"

>The "streak of light" was an electro-magnetic-temporal ribbon that sliced
>through the atmosphere on the night of July 17th, 1996.   This ribbon was
>created as a result of the conjunction of several top-secret government
>scientific experiments involving Einstein's Unified Field Theory (UFT) and
>the effects of high electro-magnetic frequency waves on portions of the
>atmosphere to warp into existence a rift in the space-time continuum .

"Oh, tie a temporal ribbon 'round the old oak tree..."

>At 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, two large antenna arrays, the first one
>in the state of Alaska known as the High-frequency Active Auroral Research
>Project (H.A.A.R.P) and the second in Norway known as European Incoherent
>Scatter Radar site (EISCAT), were activated to study the creation of
>temporal anomalies in the Earths atmosphere by altering the magnetosphere
>of the Earth in a way to cause such intense fields of magnetic compression
>within an area to warp a rift into the space-time continuum.   The purpose
>of the project was to create this rift to study Einsteins Unified Field
>Theory.  Several sites across the Earth were selected for the creation of
>the rift in areas away from civilian centers and airline traffic.   

....Methinks this boy is HAARPing a bit too loudly to be believed :-)

>The target area was to be over the center of the Atlantic Ocean and was to
>be studied by top-secret Military Atmospheric Information Satellites
>(MAIS).  Several other attempts at this experiment failed due to
>miscalculations within the internal sub-processors of at least three Cray
>3 super computers stored at the H.A.A.R.P. site.   Once the sub-processors
>within the Cray-3's were replaced and several maintainence and calibration
>checks were performed, the system was at full operation on the night of
>July 17th, 1996.  The facilities of H.A.A.R.P in Alaska and EISCAT in
>Norway were simuletanously put into operation.

"Hey, what did you replace that Cray-3 with?"

"Well, I had this spare Commodore 64 on the shelf, and it was all I
had on short notice."

"Oh. Ok, shouldn't be any problem. Go ahead and fire'er up!"

>Once the experiment was started the rift was created, it was only visible
>to the MAIS satellies and the American and Europeans Governments
>scientific personell stationed at H.A.A.R.P. and EISCAT.   This experiment
>was a sucess until TWA Flight 800 intersected with an invisible "temporal
>axis" left permanently in place by two previous experiments by the U.S.
>Government to study Einsteins Unified Field Theory.   If a line were drawn
>across the Earth to connect these two sites of previous experiments, one
>end of the line would end in Philadelphia Harbor in Philadelphia
>Pennsylvania and the other in Montauk, Long Island.

"Dear, there's a wing tip of a big airplane sticking out of the
Beaver's window!"

"I'll talk to him, dear."

>Philadelphia Harbor was the location of an Unified Field Theory experiment
>on August 15th, 1943, known as the "Philadelphia Experiment".  A Navy
>Destroyer Escort known as the U.S.S. Eldrige (DE 173) was outfitted with
>large electromagnetic Tesla coils for an experiment involving "radar
>invisibility".   The first test of the ship was a success but a second
>test on that fateful day would prove fatal to many crew members who would
>man the ship.   According to classified ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence)
>files, the U.S.S. Eldrige underwent a dramatic change once the experiment
>was under way.  The ship, was surrounded by a green haze of
>electromagnetic energy and the Eldrige vanished in splaying light into the
>space-time continuum.  

"Bigboot! Where's my commercial jet airliner?!?!"

"It's not -your- planet any more, monkey boy!"

>Echoes of the Eldrige were scattered all over the space time continuum
>both in the past and the future in the proximity of both high
>electromagnetic fields and temporal distortion fields.  One echo appeared
>in the previous port of the Eldrige, Norfolk, Virginia.  The ship
>re-appeared in Philadelphia with several crew members burned, some phased
>and combined with the super-structure of the ship and others who vanished
>or were able to walk through walls and one man apparently traveled through
>time to the year 1984 as you will see later.

"Gee ma, didn't anyone ever tell that guy 'It's only a movie'???"

>Several more echoes of the Eldrige have appeared since 1943 and would be
>significant in the events that followed later.

"No, really Mr. President! The Viet Cong have a destroyer! And it
fired on us!! Can we nuke them now?"

>A second experiment to study Einsteins Unified Field Theory took place in
>Montauk, Long Island in the summer of 1984.   This experiment was mean to
>be an improvement on the original Philadelphia Experiment.  This project
>would also have dire consequences that would endanger the Earth itself.  
>The experiment was activated and in hyper-dimensonal space, which as no
>time what-so-ever, the effect of the Montauk Project intersected with the
>effects of the Philadelphia Experiment.   A vortex was opened up between
>the years 1943 and 1984.   

"Wow! Now we can go back in time and -really- stretch our week's pay!"

>An echo of the U.S.S. Eldrige appeared and vanished.  One of the sailors
>from the Eldrige was stranded in the year 1984 at Montauk.   According to
>scientists working on the Montauk Project, the vortex between Montauk and
>Philadelphia was staying open because it was still being controlled by the
>generators powering the electro-magnetic coils on the Eldrige in 1943.  
>If the vortex had stayed open, the 1984 Earth would have been pulled into
>hyperdimensonal space and destroyed as it passed through the vortex and
>collided with the 1943 Earth.   The sailor from the Eldrige was convinced
>to go back through the vortex to the U.S.S. Eldrige in 1943 and shut down
>the generators.   He went back and destroyed several vacuum tube arrays
>for the circuity running the 1943 experiment.   He then vanished, never to
>be seen again.

....He was actually shunted to another universe, where he fought in
streets of fire to save the life of a rock & roll singer who was
married to a geek. Which fate was worse, you decide.

>Although the vortex was closed between Philadelphia 1943 and Montauk 1984,
>a permenant "temporal axis" was left between the two sites, stretching
>from Philadelphia, across New Jersey and across the Atlantic Ocean, just
>ten miles south of Long Island until it reached Montauk.   Now we get to
>July 17th, 1996.

....After having made a left turn at Alberquerque first, natch.

>As TWA Flight 800 was rising to 13,000 feet, it was also intersecting with
>this "temporal axis".   At the moment TWA Flight 800 intersected, the
>trasponder was continously sending a signal to JFK International Tower,
>giving it's location on the Air Traffic Control Screens.   This signal was
>at the exact same harmonic frequency as the temporal distortion caused by
>H.A.A.R.P. and EISCAT over the Atlantic.   The temporal distortion became
>naturally attracted to the harmonic signal eminating from the TWA's
>transponder and "quantum leaped" from it's original site to cross the
>"temporal axis" at a 90 degree angle, at the exact point in which TWA
>Flight 800 intersected with it.    

"Dammit, Oliver! How many times have I told you -not- to hack into
government installations? There's no telling what you set off this
time!!! You're grounded for a week, young man!"

>An orange streak of light became visible as the temporal distortion
>appeared from it's quantum leap and then shortened it's length down to the
>plane from both directions.   The rift tore through the plane, destroying
>the transponder and causing a massive explosion of molten metal that
>punctured the center fuel tank.  This is why some witnesses say the streak
>of light came from above (the meteor theory) or it rose from below (the
>missile theory) and why there has been no evidence of a bomb, missile or
>mechanical failure.  The first "booming" sound heard by witnesses was the
>temporal rift destroying the center fuel tank and the second sound was the
>wing tanks beginning to explode.

"Opie, I thought Barney and I told you kids that you couldn't shoot
off those fireworks off-season!"

"Gee Paw, those weren't fireworks!"

"They wasn't? Then what was they?"

"It was a Centuri Aerobee kit! Goober helped me build it, and Gomer
put on those extra Estes "D" solids so it'd go REALLY high!"

>The destruction of the center fuel tank caused the chain reaction
>explosion through out the fuel tanks in the wings while the plane
>plummeted to the Atlantic, killing all 230 people on board.   At the exact
>same moment of the destruction of Flight 800, an echo of the U.S.S.
>Eldrige appeared on the Atlantic, 13,000 feet directly underneath the
>plane.   The Eldrige appearance explains why there were reports of a ship
>in the area near Flight 800 and then discounted by the Government as
>conjecture by the media. 

....Nonono! You're forgetting something important here. The temporal
ribbon also deposited both Ricky Nelson and the members of Lynrd
Skynard on board, where they freebased the plan into exploding. Yeah,
that's the ticket! And Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, The Big Bopper, Jim
Croce were all aboard too.

>here have been periodic after effects of this juncture with the most
>recent reappearance of the rift appearing near a Pakistani airliner on
>November 16th, 1996 while it followed the same path as Flight 800.   The
>transponder of the Pakistani Airliner temporarily reactivated the temporal
>rift.

....Oh, and we can't forget that there was a second switchman at the
HAARP controls. Right over there on the grassy knoll.

>The rift was activated again by a Canadian Airlines 747 on December 13th, 1996.

....Darn those Canadians! Can't they do anything _original_???

>The current news stories are telling us that there was a spark near an air
>conditioning unit (what the hell does air conditioning have to do with the
>center fuel tank anyways?) that set off the explosion, what's not being
>told is the "spark" the authories are not telling us about is the rupture
>in the space time continuum.

....Personally? Just between you, me and the rest of the group, pal? I
don't thing it's the "space time continuum" that's ruptured here.

>This is the true story that needs to be told and the doors must be opened
>on the secrecy surrounding top secret Unified Field Theory projects before
>more deaths are caused.

....Actually, what needs to be done is for the HAARP folks to fire up
their little "weapon" and see if they can zero in on -your- location.
If they don't hit you, then it's not a weapon, and you owe everyone an
apology. If it does hit you and cause you to evaporate like dry ice,
then we'll reconsider what you've said. 

>Let the truth be known.

....Yeah, like who your ISP is so we can fire off lots of hate mail to
your admin.


						OM

--------------------- OMnicom Has Moved! ---------------------
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"Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength 
 of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of 
 the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects," 

                        - (c) 1996, Judges Dolores K. Sloviter, 
                              Ronald L. Buckwalter and Stewart Dalzell

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: "Letter from the Messiah..1 of 2"
From: relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM>
Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:06:48 GMT

To my friends in rock music and elsewhere, and to my enemies:

As the information most of you have been given the past seven 
years is incorrect, this document will serve as my true 
testament.

To my enemies:

The one thing you did well was to elaborate on the significance 
of abandoning your Savior to a life and death in isolation. 
Unfortunately for you, I had already made the decision to see
women before I found out that half of you were offering a 
"sacrifice" to support it. When you brought down the Berlin Wall
to symbolize your victory, I was laughing.

Because of your crimes, God and I have forsaken the Earth. Under
no circumstance will we take action to help anyone while they 
live on the planet. This letter also serves as the human race's
notice of eviction from my planet. Every minute you remain is a
crime against God(waived for my friends for now). God and I are 
also unconcerned with how you treat each other. However, all 
crimes committed against my friends, children, and the ecology
of the planet will be punished with extreme prejudice. It 
shouldn't be more than several hundred years before I am in a
position to do it.  
         
-- 
 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: "Letter from the Messiah..1 of 2"
From: "Joe Olnick" 
Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:16:30 GMT


Wow!  I had no idea He was on CompuServe.  How do they bill Him?


Joe


relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM> wrote in article 


> 
> Because of your crimes, God and I have forsaken the Earth. 



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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: "letter part 2"
From: relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM>
Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:09:29 GMT

You've been warned that the severity of the crimes you are
committing far surpasses that of any crime previously committed. 
Whether you believe there is life after death is irrelevant.
You have lost me forever. God is repeatedly giving you His 
supreme command to release me. Every minute you keep me here,
you cross a line never before crossed with Him. 
I expect to be freed to live the life I want. Since I've spread 
this letter all over the internet, we can assume that whoever is
threatening to do whatever if they find out about my girlfriends
now knows. You only prove one thing by keeping me here. If
I am not released, I will do everything I can to inform the
general population of the Earth of my presence. You may think 
your stranglehold on my friends and the media is impenetrable,
but you also thought you were committing the perfect crime. As
I'm sure you're aware, this letter completes, in only thirty 
years, the destruction of a scheme you claimed would carry you 
for eternity. If I am not released, I will begin by following 
this letter with a detailed explanation of the music.

To my friends: You've done a great job of hanging on. Sorry about 
the roller coaster ride, but it looks as though the drinks are,
once again, on me.
				Lord :)         



-- 
 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Desolation Row Word Search Puzzle
From: jcliburn@flintcreek.win.net (Joseph Cliburn)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 20:39:16 GMT


See how many of the "cast" of Desolation Row (listed below) you can find
in this word search puzzle. Then wonder if you really DO need to get a life.


"Desolation Row"

 C A L Y P S O S I N G E R S T
 A S A L L E R E D N I C K I R
 I U G R K I N X T A S B G V I
 N P S E N N E L R E V H O A O
 A E L S O S R E E C T E O D T
 N R R O M T O S N R C Z D Y S
 D H I L S E S S O O A R S T Q
 A U G L U I N P I B S A A T U
 B M Y A O N E A S I S P M E A
 E A N C L W P T S N A O A B D
 L N N O A S T I I H N U R R N
 A C I L E I U E M O O N I O P
 D R K H J D N N M O V D T M E
 Y E S B P X E T O D A K A E M
 R W A G E N T S C C X Z N O U

AGENTS
BETTYDAVIS
CAINANDABEL
CALYPSOSINGERS
CASSANOVA
CINDERELLA
COMMISSIONER
EINSTEIN
EZRAPOUND
GOODSAMARITAN
JEALOUSMONK
LADY
LOCALLOSER
NEROSNEPTUNE
RIOTSQUAD
ROBINHOOD
ROMEO
SEXLESSPATIENTS
SKINNYGIRLS
SUPERHUMANCREW
TIGHTROPEWALKER

Enjoy!

Joe
--
Joe Cliburn
jcliburn@flintcreek.win.net
http://www.win.net/~flintcreek/
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray." - Dylan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: lenny bruce's genius: a skeleton key (revisited)
From: ravenflm@primenet.com (trolls-R-us)
Date: 8 Jan 1997 02:14:02 -0700



8825 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, California
February 1, 1964

Mr. John Brogan
Attorney at Law
145 State Street
Springfield, Massachusetts

Dear John:

I'm out of money, the tax is late on my 
house, and the Detroit Board of censors 
is telling the owner I can't come in on 
the March 1st date. . . They keep arresting 
me for being sick and taking medicine -- a 
non-narcotic, Methedrine.  When I was in 
San Francisco, I had a siege of narcolepsy 
and I called the hotel doctor and was refused. 
 
He told me he didn't want to get involved.

This has happened in several cities.  In 
Miami, I was arrested for possession of 
insulin needles used for the administration 
of Methedrine.  Dr. Trop had to come to 
court, and for the third time I was forced 
to hire counsel to defend myself and received 
unfavorable press nationwide.  At the time of 
the arrest, the policeman was two blocks from 
the doctor's office, and the doctor was in.  
I begged him to verify the medication for 
syringes that were properly labeled.  He 
refused, based on a strict interpretation 
of the Penal Code.  Apparently he did not 
read the preamble found in all penal codes.

If you can get a Writ of Prohibition, it'll 
give me a breather from a few special peace 
officers who have used our system to suit 
their personal whim, which I'm sure is 
motivated by their early religious 
training -- a training that teaches the 
strong, the odious rich and the wealthy, 
as opposed to the weak, poor, and honest.    
Sparse, bare self-sacrifice, self-denial 
are all descriptions of unreal culture that 
propagates lies that may be evidenced in our 
daily lives; i.e., the Secret Service 
agent who received a medal for risking 
his life at President Kennedy's assassination 
site -- received the medal, I assume, for 
the following deeds:

He pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into the car 
and covered her body with his own -- therefore 
risking his life to aid the President 
and save the First Lady's life.

_Time_ Magazine showed the very same 
pictures, but the captions told the 
typical, self-sacrificing bullshitting 
story.  The picture of her saving her ass 
scrambling out of the convertible is 
captioned, in substance, "The President's
wife going to get help for her injured
husband," and perhaps I could not form
a conclusion that this was an untruth
if it were not for the compounding 
of that lie in the next caption that showed 
the peace officer pushing her back into 
the car, and that one said she was helping 
him aboard.

In a culture where their standard is based 
on lies and truths, their standard is that 
lies are bad.  They lied.  The villainous 
part of the lie is that when other husbands 
are shot and wives flee so their faces will 
not be blown away, they will feel guilt that 
they are not the wife that the President's 
wife was.

How this relates to the early religious 
training that rejects medicine, is: If you're 
a man, you need no "crutch" -- your cortisones, 
your Bisimith and McFarsen's, your plastic 
surgery. . .  If the Lord wanted you to 
have a straight back and eyes and nose, He 
would have born you that way; and it's the 
work of the devil to put chimanzee kidneys 
into the stomach of Man and take eyes from 
the dead.

Coffee, tea, milk, pillow, blankets, martinis, 
and sweets and scented soaps and all those 
"crutches" relate to pleasure, pleasure, 
pleasure, pleasure are Satan's tools.  What 
right has man to pleasure?  A real man 
sleeps in the woods and wipes his ass with 
Saran Wrap, and good women douche with lye.

And thus that Moffit Field incident where 
soldiers were kneeling over with spinal 
meningitis.  Sulfa drugs, that had heretofore 
been considered the panacea by those afflicted 
and those who cured the afflicted, had failed. 
 
Was prayer the answer?  I think not.  For they 
found they had been spitting the pills out, 
	and I've been given to understand this 
is quite 
a common problem with doctors who receive 
answers from those persons who spit the 
pills out, that they "won't fill their bodies 
full of those poisons, those dangerous drugs." 
 
And those mood elevators -- if you have any 
needs at all, you syphilitc weakling, get 
on your knees, Brother.

The religious person who would be repulsed 
at reading this, I suggest you get on your 
knees for your un-Christlike attitude towards 
one who knows: "Forgive him for he knows . . ."

I can earn a living and I promise I'll give 
you the first dollar from every two 
earned, the money I owe you for Nashville, 
Tennessee and this request for a Federal 
Writ of Prohibition to keep those brothers 
clothed in love from killing me in the 
interest of Justice.

Another arrest, a secret indictment, is 
coming February 25.  Someone told me.  I 
don't know for what, but the next arrest 
finds me with no bail, no counsel and, 
at this writing, I have no money for 
attorneys.

And I resist charity.  This resistance, I 
am aware, is because of a behemoth ego, the 
cause of all my problems.

Very truly yours,
Lenny Bruce




_The Almost Unpublished Lenny Bruce: from the 
Private Collection of Kitty Bruce_; ISBN 
089471-259-4



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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: for them that defend what they cannot see
From: "uncc.campus.mci.net" 
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:55:00 -0500

(snip)
>                0
>                1 0 0 0 0 0 0
>                0
>                0
>                1
>        [frmlay]
>                1440
>                12240
>                1
>                1440
>                1
(snip)

        As disappointing as it was to get a post like the above, it was a
million times more interesting than the biblical interpretations floating
around here.
        Rather than criticize, however, I think I'll join them:

Shut the light
        (How God created darkness)
Shut the shade
        (How God created shade)
You don't have to be afraid
        (referring to the fear of Adam and Eve when they were sent from the
Garden)
I'll be your baby tonight
        (An obvious reference to the baby Jesus in the manger)

Well that mockingbird is gonna sail away
        (note the contrast with Noah's dove)
We're gonna let it
        (See Leviticus 3:14)
That big fat moon is gonna shine like a spoon
        (God gave us the heavens as well as silverware)
We're gonna let it
        (How we have no control over God's will)
You won't regret it
        (contrast with Moses looking into the Land of Milk and Honey)

Kick your shoes off
        (The serpent did not need shoes when he was made to slither on the
ground)
Do not fear
        (See Adam and Eve reference above)
Bring that bottle over here
        (obvious tribute to his Jewish roots with sipping wine on Shabbat)
I'll be your baby tonight
        (Could be Jesus or the baby Moses in the reeds, depending on whether
you believe Dylan is a Jew, a Christian, or both at once.)

         No disrespect intended, of course.
                                        Jeff Passe

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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: vibrations?
From: dredd@raven.cybercomm.net (dredd)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:21:14 GMT

:>On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:11:57 GMT, whois@where.her (Diane or Roger) wrote:


:>>suddenly started feeling as though I was spinning real fast and my
:>>heart was pounding SO hard and fast.  I never felt my heart beat like
:>>that.  Is that supposed to happen, or was I just excited from the
:>>other feelings?  I felt like I was in a cup that was spinning around
:>>very fast. 

I experience the same thing when I try to go OB.  Usually when I start
to balance my chakras I first get a tingling sensation then that leads
to a numbness and a feeling like my arms are sinking into my bed. Then
I start to feel out of sink with my body, as if I'm laying on my side
with my arms behind my head (when I'm really laying flat with my arms
at my sides) And finally I start this strange spinning sensation which
is almost impossible to describe. Then my heart starts to beat faster
than it should for someone who is layiong in bed relaxing. I try to
float up or to mentally encourage vibrations, but so far I've been
unsucessful. 

I've read about 20 excellent books on the subject, and it seems that
everyones experiences are very different. Some people seem to get
vibrations, some feel a rocking of some sort, some say they don't get
any of that and just find themself 'outside' spontaniously.

I think you are definatly close to projection when you get those
spinning sensations. I know I leave my body in my sleep but I am still
at the present moment unable to conciously leave my body while I'm
awake.

Try, Try again 

Has anybody gone through the same thing and figured out how to get to
the next step from the 'rocking'?



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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: vibrations?
From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott)
Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:08:20 GMT

In <5blhgl$1ch@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> nvo2@Bayou.UH.EDU (Nhut Q Vo) writes: 
>
>dredd (dredd@raven.cybercomm.net) wrote:
>: :>On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:11:57 GMT, whois@where.her (Diane or Roger)
wrote:

>: I've read about 20 excellent books on the subject, and it seems that
>: everyones experiences are very different.

I agree.  There could be several reasons for the experiences being
different.  Most likely technique.  I think it has a lot to do with how
the person is trying to 'exit' (or whatever you want to call it - to
me, it's not out-of-body, it's a different level of consciousness). 
Depending on where the attention is and what is being paid attention to
will result in different portions of the nervous system relaying
different information to the consciousness for the experience.

>
>: Has anybody gone through the same thing and figured out how to get
>to the next step from the 'rocking'?

That rocking sensation is really nice.  Back and forth, back and forth.
Like in a rowboat.  So gentle.  Usually it just feels like your body
swaying, but if you pay attention to it and gently release yourself to
it, your entire being seems to join in the pleasant swaying.  Just
allow the swaying to continue and eventually you should slide through
to the next level.  Even if you don't, it's very restfull.

It seems to me that the real key to this is release and surrender. 
Releasing the grip you have on your body.  Surrendering your control. 
Trusting that everything will be okay.  I don't mean to sound crude,
but if you can remember your first orgasm, it's similar to that in some
respects.  A total release.  An "I just don't care anymore" attitude,
"Now let's see what happens next."  Letting go...

Bart

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Biblical influence on Dylan
From: Mark Moore 
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:56:28 -0500

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, -jh wrote:

> >Kees de Graaf  writes:
> 
> >>Paul Williams quite rightly said that 'the words and images from the Bible 
> >>play the same role in most of Dylan's songs that all words and images play 
> >>in his writing: they have a musical or auditory/visual or 'dream' logic, they
> >>sound right to the artist, they contain the smell of rhythm of truth and at 
> >>best are a good representation of the mood and inspiration in which the 
> >>original composition took place'.
> 
> Every time one of these critic's quotes is thrust forward as if having some 
> authority, I am reminded why I never read critics. Some are better writers 
> that others, but all seem to be stuck with this high school notion of artistic
> creation as a trance-like dream, beyond rational processes. Yet, there is 
> discipline to creating work worthy to be written about. It has nothing to do
> with a "smell of rhythm of truth." Does anyone suppose this is the reason 
> "the answer is blowin' in the wind?" Can truth or an answer only be found 
> one fleeting whiff at a time? Does dream logic really tell the truth? Really?
> 
> This quotation from Williams basically says Dylan merely uses the Bible
> for dramatic/poetic effects under the jurisdiction of "poetic license" & I say
> this assertion accuses Dylan of crass disrespect for the Scripture, while
> also implying he does not have enough Biblical comprehension to place
> a meaningful message or fundamental concept within the lines of song.
> At the very least, a lack of inclination is assumed in Dylan. Nonsense. -jh

As I have written several times to this newsgroup expressing thoughts 
very similar to the above but met only with hostility and criticism, I 
thought I would lend my support to what Mr. Vangrod is saying here. 

Although the creative process differs among individual writers, musicians 
and painters, Dylan's body of work expresses a conscious understanding of 
life with a clarity that few other artists can match. Many writers and 
artists are very confused people who have great difficulty finding any 
meaning in life, and their creative work mirrors their own confusion 
within. I would say that Dylan's work is more analogous to Rembrandt, for 
instance, than Picasso or Jackson Pollock, not in style, but in focus of 
vision.

Once in a while, a great genius comes along with clarity of insight into
the meaning of life's mysteries or at least the mysteries of the
circumstances of the times. Examples would be Shakespeare, Donne, Blake,
Eliot, Joyce, Tolkien, Kierkegaard, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, among
others. These writers have had such a deep understanding of the
transcendent meaning of life experience that, in order to express it, they
sometimes have had to break through the barriers of ordinary language into
a language of the heart that the Bible calls "speaking in tongues." The
result seems to be confused gobbledy-gook to those who do not have "ears
to hear" or the gift of spiritual interpretation. But behind the personal
style of expression is an understanding, a vision, that can only be called
extraordinary. 

Dylan is a man of great genius, vision and understanding. Great artistic
geniuses incorporate all of life experience into their work. For this
reason, their work can be enjoyed by many different people with many
different views of life on many different levels. That does not mean that
the artist does not himself have a coherent vision that ties all those
levels of meaning together. 

Dylan has a profound understanding of the Bible. It is very apparent to
any Christian who actually knows the Bible. Biblical references and
allusions abound throughout his entire body of work. Without an
understanding of the Bible, one cannot fully comprehend Dylan's work. On
the other hand, the Bible solely by itself will not unlock all the levels
of meaning interwoven, whether consciously or unconsciously, throughout 
all of his creative work. 

Dylan is not simply a preacher or a Bible teacher or even a prophet, but
one of the most profound Christian artists in the world. This is the
reason most evangelical Christians reject him because he doesn't simply
regurgitate the Bible like the preachers in artists' clothing in the
so-called Christian music industry who sing songs for the the evangelical
churchgoers. Dylan expresses his own unique insights gained through life
experience in the world, and they are bound to conflict with the systems
of biblical interpretation developed by dogmatic church authorities
because he is usually miles above them. But the Bible always colors
Dylan's perception and expression of life experience, sometimes softly,
sometimes glaringly. He can't help but express what the Bible says because
the Bible expresses the universal Truth. 

But the Bible is not his sole obsession. He draws from the entire vista of
human experience, but especially contemporary culture. He is concerned
with uncovering the answers to the same complex questions about the
meaning and purpose of existence that have motivated all great thinkers
and artists. Without belief in the revelatory Truth of God found in the
Bible, that quest is doomed to failure, and the truly great artists and
thinkers have all been aware of this. The problem all Christian thinkers
have to face, however, is that the truths expressed in the Bible are not
immediately apparent and an incredible number of erroneous views and
interpretations of the Bible are circulating in people's minds. So the
first task needs to be to discover what the Bible actually says, and this
requires an independent mind, a humbleness in the presence of God and a
heart filled with faith. The process can be clearly seen in the life of
Leo Tolstoy, and his case teaches that even the greatest minds cannot
truly understand the revelations of God without deep, unreserved faith. 

Dylan's artistry and genius (just as that of the writers mentioned above)
cannot be fully appreciated by either those who harbor antipathy toward
Christianity or by dogmatic Christians who cannot appreciate art unless it
reflects their own narrow point of view. The purpose of a Christian artist
is different from the purpose of a Bible teacher, just as the purpose of
art is different from the purpose of the Bible. The failure to understand
this leads many Christians and non-Christians alike to misinterpret the
work of Christian artists who do not attempt to propagandize and/or
proselytize through their art.

The greatest writers and artists of Western civilization have been
Christians, mostly, who expressed transcendental truths concerning
mankind's experience. Yet, their contributions throughout the centuries
have been neglected by almost everyone as if no longer relevant to the
superior knowledge that we think we have gained through our own limited
experiences. Great art, Christian art, links the past with the present
(and sometimes the future), the secular with the profane, the temporal
with the eternal through deep, spiritual understanding and awareness. 
This awareness does not come to the artist or thinker instantly. It is a
lifelong, unfolding process that comes through experience that builds
upon experience, observation and deep reflection, rigorous study and the
desire for the love of God that is rewarded by the blessings of God who
favors those who honestly seek to serve and know Him. For this reason, the
later work of a Christian artist is more likely to be a conscious
expression of transcendental truth understood through experience, while
the earlier work can often be an expression of intuitive perception that
reaches into spiritual depths of which the artist himself is not yet fully
aware. 

Dylan's work shows this spiritual progress toward a destination even as 
yet unknown. However, he acknowledges the Bible as the primary source of 
God's revelation to man and wishes not to be thought of as God's 
spokesman on Earth. We all err down here.  

M.M. 










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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Biblical influence on Dylan
From: vangrod@gate.net (-jh)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:13:54

Mark Moore  writes:

>As I have written several times to this newsgroup expressing thoughts 
>very similar to the above but met only with hostility and criticism, I 
>thought I would lend my support to what Mr. Vangrod is saying here. 

I found little in the essay which followed these words that supports any view 
I wish to express. I rather think you have used my terse comments as a 
springboard for expounding your own convoluted views on Western culture.
I take particular exception with the paragraph following, & in anticipation of 
the torrent of words that usually follows any disagreement with you, I assure
you I will not likely be reading or responding to dispute. You need to study.

>Once in a while, a great genius comes along with clarity of insight into
>the meaning of life's mysteries or at least the mysteries of the
>circumstances of the times. Examples would be Shakespeare, Donne, Blake,
>Eliot, Joyce, Tolkien, Kierkegaard, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, among
>others. These writers have had such a deep understanding of the
>transcendent meaning of life experience that, in order to express it, they
>sometimes have had to break through the barriers of ordinary language into
>a language of the heart that the Bible calls "speaking in tongues." The
>result seems to be confused gobbledy-gook to those who do not have "ears
>to hear" or the gift of spiritual interpretation. But behind the personal
>style of expression is an understanding, a vision, that can only be called
>extraordinary. 

The expression "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" was used only by the 
Lord Himself in connection with His Own Teaching! It is found seven times in 
the Gospels & eight times in the Book of Revelation: always in connection with 
the most solemn words of His Ministry. Application of the words "ears to hear"
as necessary means to spiritual discernment of any work of human invention, 
be it socalled "genius" or whatever, is not acceptable, to put it very mildly.

The Bible speaks of "tongues" prominently in two respects. First: the Voice of 
Pentecost which was spoken miraculously through the Apostles in Jerusalem
as recorded in Acts, chapter 2. This Voice was heard & clearly understood by 
listeners in their own language of origin simultaneously. The crowd wondered: 
"How hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" (Acts 2:8)
The prime quality of the "tongue" was clarity. It was not esoteric literature. 
(I personally think it is this tongue of Pentecost Dylan writes of in Dignity.)

Virtually without exception, wherever the word "tongues" is found in the King 
James translation, the original Greek is: "glossa" - which means: language.
In the original 1611 edition of the KJV, the translators took pains to make 
this known in their lengthy letter of introduction, humbly warning readers the 
linguistic work of revealing the Scripture in English was far from complete. 

The extended message concerning tongues in I Corinthians, 14th chapter, 
is common sense instruction about the need for ministers to be educated in 
foreign languages when taking the Gospel throughout the world, (as the 
miraculous manifestation of the Voice of Pentecost was temporary fulfillment 
of a prophecy of Joel, declared by Peter at Acts 2:16-2.) No mysterious new
"language of the heart" was placed at the disposal of human authors. To the 
contrary, as many people of very different "tongues" & national origins were 
brought together into one body, Paul counseled churches to practice care to 
ensure useless verbal cacaphony did not result in Christian meetings. 

To this point, Paul wrote at I Corinthians 14:33: "God is not the author of 
confusion, but of peace..." Ideally, peace & understanding is the object of 
"speaking in tongues." It is by peace & clarity of expression the listener may 
find the: "secrets of his heart made manifest..." (I Corinthians 14:25)

There is absolutely no scriptural basis for application of these events or 
concepts to human literary artifacts. Please leave the socalled ''language of 
the heart" to Hallmark, & read your Bible before lecturing on the Scriptures. 
For your own good, I hope you hear this message clearly. You need to study. -jh

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If any man speak in an *unknown* tongue, let it be by two, or at the most 
by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no 
interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak 
to himself, and to God."  -I Corinthians 14:27&28

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Newsgroups: clari.local.wisconsin,clari.sports.football.nfl,biz.clarinet.sample
Subject: Packer fans to get piece of Lambeau Field
From: C-upi@clari.net (UPI)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 9:12:01 PST

  	  				 
	GREEN BAY, Wis., Jan. 24 (UPI) -- Green Bay Packer fans hoping to  
capture a memento to the team's hallmark 1996 season can now buy small 
chucks of grass yanked from Lambeau Field. 
	The Packers organization has announced plans to sell the hallowed sod  
in small 5-inch-square patches with the proceeds going to charity. 
	The packaged sod, will go on sale in the Lambeau parking lot for $10  
a piece starting the day before Super Bowl XXXI. 
 ---  
	Copyright 1997 by United Press International.  
	All rights reserved.  
 ---  

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.archaeology,sci.archaeology,alt.religion.christian
Subject: Chinese calendar inauguration is Jan 6, 2029 BC not Feb 2, 2637 BC
From: Mike Schiller 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:27:17 +0000

Mike Schiller wrote:
> Julian April 4 of 574 AD
> year Kiah-Wu (horse); day Wu-Wu (horse)

>Richard wrote:
>> is taken from the Watchtower magazines which
>> are Jehovah's Witnesses. So to answer your question...
>> yes I have taken this from Jehovah's Witnesses.

>Which issue ?

As was stated before...Watching the World had an article
(which after many years of requesting a date from the
Watchtower Society for the correlation of the
Chinese 60-day calendar with the biblical reality)
finally made itself manifest in an article referring
to the date April 4 of 574 AD as a 1219-year comet
on the day Woo Woo.
Do a search on your CD and you will find it.
It is definately a predicted Armageddon date by the
Chinese sect who recorded it.
>> Does it offend you that
>> I would "have anything to do with them" ?

>no. I am Jehovah's Witnesses... :-)
>David

In FACTS ON FILE's *Book Of Calendars*
the Chinese calendar absent new moon for 238 AD was Feb 2
and using the 19-year Metonic cycle should be Feb 2 for 238 BC also.
Astronomy programs show it to be Feb 3 with rising new moon as Feb 4.
The date Feb 7 of 238 BC  is the day Kiah-Tse and is 360 days before
the date Feb 2 of 237 BC which is also Kiah-Tse of the YEAR Kiah-Tse.
On this date the calendar inauguration Era was declared as
2400 years earlier as Feb 2 (day Kiah-Tse) of 2637 BC (year Kiah-Tse).
Genesis indicates it was in fact the year Jin-Shin (monkey) 2029 BC
on the day Wu-Shin (monkey) Jan 5 as last cresent to the eclipsed
Jan 6 winter solstice absent new moon. Ur's mass suicide to go to heaven
occurred 5 lunar months later memorialized by the Egyptian Christ-mass
Choiak 25 (May 6) now worshipped as the Magi's December 25.
(As most asrologers today who fail to accept correction,
the Magi rejected Julius Caesar's new technology which proved
a December 25 solstice, and stuck to the Jan 6 of 2000 BC,
for christening the toddler Jesus on Jan 6 as being newborn that day as
king;
a birth as king not the birth as baby.)

But the date for Sirius (Sothis) as a regulator less accurate than
the star Regulus, implied a sothic olympiad as 1461 days. And thus
the drift of Sirius' rising from July 17 of 2030 BC to that of July 19
in 238 BC implied a 600-year span back to 2037 BC instead of
2029 BC (8-year difference as 4-years per July date) and thus also
back again to 2637 BC. What appeared wrongly as support was the
start of the new world (which had two dates, that of the end of Noah's
Flood Jan 6 of 2369 BC, and that of the end of guaranteed great
longevity
marked by the winter solstice new year Jan 6 of 2029 BC).
That of the Flood was the rise of venus to Aquarius of which for Feb 2
of
1437 BC (Moses is correct in Genesis that the city-structuring of
skilled
trades, schooling, and degrees results in know-it-alls who are actually
confused...babble) and thus regard 1437 BC as 600 years of the calendar
from the Aquarius venus which actually marked the Flood as 932 years
(2369-1437 BC = 4x 243y sidereal venus minus 5x 8y venus).

Thus the verification of Genesis is proudly supported by this proof
Jehovah has given me. And it can be said to the world that Jehovah
hides nothing. It does not require a ressurrection of all the dead
to prove the real history of our own Genesis. The current  evidence
is ignored by current scholars, and i the one going forth saying
Repent cause the kingdom has drawn near, it is the IBSA born legally
as your kingdom in 1914, and pointing out error from the smallest man
to the greatest scholar and organizations.....repent cause only
your changing and turning around from this exalted image of yourself in
the mirror will spare any humans at all. Here is the real CHRIST our
Leader, the one who can humble himself to his own anointing and
accept what must occur to save his 12 apostles (his children
the great crowd who survive to become the ONLY world, the whole world.)

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Newsgroups: alt.books.phil-k-dick
Subject: Re: 2-3/74:Dick's religous encounter
From: flatgelat@aol.com (Flat Gelat)
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:54:44 GMT

In article <19971029160301.LAA28967@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
mledoux01@aol.com (MLedoux01) writes:

>
>In Popluar Alienation it says that The Valis epsiode is exactly like
>Illuminati
> teachings. Anybody know more about this?
>
>
>Mark
>
>

If we told you, we'd have to kill you.

Regards,
Frater Flatulus "Dad" Gelatinus           http://members.aol.com/flatgelat/
                     
                       Order of Ancient & Avoided Flatulati   
              Order of Goddess Goosers, Erisian Detachment
                   Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren
                Seeker, Grade Zed, Moorish Orthodox Church
                     Astrologer to the Court of The 13 Moons    
                         InterNestling, Church of All Worlds

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Milwaukee Journal concert review
From: kara@cp.duluth.mn.us
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:51:56 -0600

Moodiness revived, Dylan Shines
by Dave Tianen

Usually rock legends crash and burn.  Cranky individualist that he's
always been, Bob Dylan has chosen to slumber and awaken.  After two
decades of vexingly inconsistent albums, Dylan has returned with an album
so powerfully stark and harrowing that it could scare the pout out of
Eddie Vedder.  Moreover, judging from his performance Wednesday night at
the Eagles Ballroom, the excitement surrounding "Time Out of Mind" seems
to have energized Dylan's often maddeningly inconsistent c concert
performance. Let's be honest, however, Dylan still gives the impression
of a private man in a public role.  Aside from the band introduction,
"Thanks, everybody" was his longest speech of the night.  This is a man
whose mood must be read in little signals ... an occasional grin, a dab
of bluesman body language, sometimes even an outright wave of the hand. 
That said, this is still the most relaxed, almost playful Dylan I've ever
seem.  At 56, he looks good in Dylan terms.  In keeping with the mood of
dread that pervades "Time Out of Mind", Dylan came out in dark coat and
bow tie. He looked a little like a run-down undertaker from a spaghetti
western. The hair's a little shorter, but it still looks as if it's been
styled by a robin.  It's the music, of course, that matters.  Themes of
entrapment run through "Time Out of Mind" and Dylan's music in general.
Wednesday there was the emotional enslavement of "Love Sick" and "Cold
Irons Bound", the physical imprisonment of "Maggie's Farm" and the
chemical entrapment of "Cocaine Blues".  Despite its easy, down-home
front-porch lilt, even "You Ain't Going Norwhere" is at bottom a song
about being caught. One of the major rewards of Wednesday's show is that
Dylan seems to be resisting the temptation to give his classics the kind
of Frankenstein makeover they have sometimes fallen victim to in the
past.  "Tangled Up in Blue" got a slightly faster tempo that undercut the
narrative a bit but let the band dig in for an interesting guitar jam. 
The evening's closer, "Rainy Day Women" was played at a slippery tempo,
but its essential frat party heart was left intact.  Given the scary
mishaps that sometimes occur at Dylan shows, Wednesday turned out to be a
treat. (Note from the typist, - what scary mishaps at shows is this
reviewer talking about?  Anyone know? - back to review) The sound was
decent, which is high praise by Eagles Ballroom standards. There was a
good mix of standards and new stuff.  The crowd had a ball, and even Bob
seemed to enjoy himself.  The only thing that could have been better is
if he'd played "Shelter From the Storm".

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Milwaukee Sentinal Story
From: "Stans Lumber Inc." 
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:25:29 -0600

Saw this in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.


When you just can't get enough Dylan . . .

     By Tina Maples
     of the Journal Sentinel

     November 12, 1997

     It started with one man's case of the Wish More People Were Talkin'
     Bob Dylan blues.

     About this time a year ago, Bob Reitman had just seen one of the
best Dylan concerts of his life. He longed to sit down and deconstruct
all the nuances with another rabid fan. Trouble was, he couldn't find
anyone who knew, say, that John Wesley Harding was more than just the
name of an English singer who sounds like Elvis Costello.
        So Reitman jumped on the Internet and sent out an A.B.B. -- All Bob
Bulletin -- in search of like-minded local folks who wanted to get
together periodically and talk about His Bobness.

     "Most of my friends who are Dylan fans are out of town. I was
looking for something around here," said Reitman, who's been half of the
morning team on WKTI-FM (94.5) almost as long as he's been a Dylan fan.
     "I didn't know whether I'd get 100 responses or one."
The turnout -- a handful -- confirmed Reitman's suspicion: "There aren't
as many Dylan fans as there should be."

     But since last fall, a 42-year-old college English teacher from
Grafton, a 51-year-old employee-benefits underwriter from South
Milwaukee and a 34-year-old Wauwatosa engineer have been getting
together periodically at the radio station for what Reitman calls "Dylan
show-and-tell," trading memories, memorabilia and interpretations of the
Dylan canon.

     They'll hold their next meeting after tonight's Dylan concert at
the Eagles Ballroom, the place where Reitman saw that inspiring show a
year ago.
        "If I know somebody likes Dylan, that cuts away 95% of the filtering
process that I normally go through, that most of us go through, in
meeting new people," Reitman said. "I don't want this to sound weird,
but if you told me you were a hard-core Dylan freak, I would put you
through very few further tests (of friendship). It's never failed me."

     Even so, the group had trouble getting together. Julie Thorsen, an
engineer who helps companies define their energy needs, considers
herself a more casual fan and admitted she was "very intimidated" at
first.
        "Some of these guys have have everything Dylan ever recorded," she
said.

     Tom Wilmeth, an English instructor at Concordia College, said he
was worried about getting involved with "rabid" Dylan tape traders and
over-the-top fans "who have nothing else in their lives."
        Right. By the way, Tom -- isn't your 6-year-old son named, um, Dylan?
        "I'd like to point out that I fought against that," Wilmeth said,
laughing. The name came from his wife, Ellie, he said.

     Now, cynics who aren't tapped into the Dylan mystique might wonder
if this fan club isn't really a support group in disguise. After all,
few artists besides Neil Young and the Grateful Dead have tested their
fandom with the kind of erratic output that has marked Dylan's live
shows in the last decade.

     "I've never felt like I was a long-suffering fan," said Marty
Traynor, an employee benefits underwriter from South Milwaukee. "Dylan
was so exciting and so much a part of growing up for some of us. For
example, about the time he went through his Christian period was when a
lot of us were starting families and having a little bit of a shift in
our thoughts as well."
        And then, of course, there's The Voice -- the ultimate line of
demarcation between the casual fan and the die-hard disciple.

     "For some reason, Dylan connects with certain people and not
others," Reitman said. "There are a lot of people who just can't get
past his voice. And you know what? That's fine. I think he's the best
singer in the world. I don't know what it is about his voice, but it
just cuts right to my soul."

     On some areas, the group members have agreed to disagree. Both
Reitman and Traynor are enthralled with "Time Out of Mind," Dylan's
first album of new material since "Under the Red Sky" in 1990. But
Thorsen and Wilmeth have reservations about the record.

     "It's good but not great," Wilmeth said. "It gets a little bit
same-y in parts, and there are very few stand-out things that make me
want to put it on again and again. I lean hard toward the early acoustic
Bob, where the talent is just dripping off his fingers."

     Thorsen even suggested that some of the reverence for the new
record is an exaggerated response to Dylan's potentially fatal heart
infection last summer.

     That's Bob blasphemy, but Thorsen is a brave woman. In circles
where naming the "wrong" best Dylan album can make you a pariah, she
isn't afraid to say that her favorite is 1995's "MTV Unplugged" record.

     The group's true test of devotion to the Dylan bloodline comes on
Dec. 17. Then, they'll have to decide whether to reconvene at the Eagles
Ballroom to see the Wallflowers, the popular band led by Dylan's son,
Jakob.

     Traynor admits he's curious, but he's hesitated in buying a ticket.
No, not because his 13-year-old son is going to the same show. It's
something more than that -- something having to do with an image of
himself as, well, forever young.

     "I picture the scene as being several hundred people the age of my
kids and a fringe of about 75 people my age standing on the outskirts,"
Traynor said. "Not that I'd wear a business suit to a concert, but it
just conjures this terrible image of all us gray-haired people . . . "

     His voice trailed off, and he laughed. "I don't think I can quite
handle that."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: thoughts on milwaukee
From: bdylan8879@aol.com (Bdylan8879)
Date: 15 Nov 1997 02:47:50 GMT

     it took a few days to get the old thought machine rolling but i have yet
 to see anyone say much about this show so i thought i might throw my hand into
 play.
     first of all, am i getting old, or are these dylan crowds getting younger?
  everyone within talking distance from me was younger than i, and i ai'nt no
 grandpa....yet.
     nice to see the youth of america come out, in milwaukee anyway..
     about the show, bob came out aroung 8:15....looked sharp, black pants,
 long black coat, yellowish shirt, nice bow tie.  the guy in the mil. paper
 said he looked like an old west undertaker. (good one).

maggies farm....nice start to a usually slow starter in mr. dylan.  to me he
 usually takes a few tunes to get rolling, but tonight i thought he was on from
 song one. (even thou it seemed this crowd was'nt.)

man in the long black coat...first time since or 91 since i have heard this one
 live.  i thought he was kicking..

cold irons bound....give me a break...this was too cool...great sound....bob
 BREAKING of the words....to hell with all along the watchtower, keep this one
 in the 3 whole for the next ten years.

you aint goin nowhere...hmmm this show was heatin up from a hot start.  i must
 tell you i go way back with this song....first kiss kinda song...first
 girlfreind kinda tune....well lets not get into that, but it brought back some
 rusty old memories...

can't wait....i am still tryin to listen to this record, so i am not sure how
 to rate this one.  on the record, bob seems most deliberate in his
 delivery....but i like the line...I"M ROLLING THRU STORMY WEATHER...remember
 that one....he should have called it stormy seasons.....i'm rolling thru the
 graveyard.......

silvio....i like this one, as always

cocaine blues...ok, but i would rather here stone walls...

one too many mornings....this song cooked....over and out....the jam in the
 middle was to cool...i think at this point during the wooden tunes, we found
 out this was a rock-n-roll show.

tangled up in blue...another fantastic music interlude...the crowd finally
 starts to discover were they are....

till i fell in love....is it just me or has bob already started reinventing
 this one.....

blind willie mctell....yes...finally..i have been waiting for this one for i
 don't know how many years...i was not disapointed....

highway 61....took me awhile, i was still taking in willie....but bob really
 jamed this...the band really sticking this one hard....

like a rolling stone...bob has refound the energy of this one...he even is
 acting like he wants to play it again....

don't think twice....again the band...and bob really rock the wooden
 tune...like they did all night...this was the best one of the
 night....maybe...blind willie...had hard boiled eggs...but this was fine...i
 mean finnnnnnnne.

lovesick...i'm in the middle of it....i don't know what to think of this
 one....

rdw 12 35.....needs a new closer...the kids of course love this one....i think
 it's rushed, bob seems ready to go....so he goes...

     so thats my ten cents worth....there was of course the girl with the
 roses, jumped on stage at some point, giving bob the whole damn bush of roses,
 he never lookes comfertable in these situations.....nice work bob....see ya in chicago.....

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Fans of Dylan
From: Cosmos Kraemer 
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:23:41 +0000

John Howells wrote:
> 
> dignity3@aol.com (Dignity3) writes:
> 
>        
> Hell, if I had the money *I'd* buy him myself! Have a concert in my
> living room.
> 
> --
> 
>                                                            John Howells
>                                                     howells@bigfoot.com
>                                                 http://www.punkhart.com
I'll pay half, bring the chips n dip and the Coke (classic).
-- 
there is no* xx *in my e- mail address

Tom KRILL
*CHECK THESE OUT* 
*http://www.goduke.com/teams/fbc/bios/nate_krill.html													
*http://www.freeyellow.com/members/einsteinfoyt/index.html
*http://home.att.net/~curtisturner/

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Show yourselves!
From: lfw2@azstarnet.com (DAR)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:19:50 LOCAL

Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a 
"brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time.  Just wanted 
to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass 
embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or 
post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at 
all.  Right?  Isn't it?  Are we suppossed to get naked here or what??  Or is 
it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on???

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Show yourselves!
From: cdbolton1@aol.com (CDBolton1)
Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:11:14 GMT

DAR wrote:

>Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a 
>"brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time.  Just wanted 
>to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass 
>embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or 
>post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at 
>all.  Right?  Isn't it?  Are we suppossed to get naked here or what??  Or is 
>it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on???

Dar has a good point here, I think it is important that we should all strip off
more often and accept the fact that we make occasionally make fools of
ourselves....

Which brings me nicely to those of you who read this newsgroup who reside in
the UK or within travelling distance.  There will be a great oppurtunity for us
all to make fools of ourselves at the forthcoming meeting of LC Fans to be held
in Lincoln City during March 98.  To date I have only received 3 replys, don't
be shy those of you who still have your clothes on, "show yourselves"!!

Chris Bolton

Chris Bolton

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Show yourselves!
From: jb181159@aol.com (JB181159)
Date: 22 Nov 1997 15:01:23 GMT

Im Artikel , lfw2@azstarnet.com (DAR) schreibt:

>How about we all meet up for a coach trip across Europe before we die...

*DAR says,
*I'm having one of my introspective days and feeling a "Judith" moment coming 
*on.  I swear we may have the makings of a Cohen Cult here.  This ng is 
*becoming a lifeline for me and when Chris asked if we'd all still be friends 
*at the end of our coach ride I find the cynic in me says, "What do mean 
*friends?  You guys might be a bunch of brain dead morons who haven't an ounce
*of nobility among you!"  Then the little voice says, "Dar, come on, have a 
*nice day.  Get on the bus.  Sing along.  Go in for that group hug and lighten
*up on Judith."  The cult reference is coming from something in me that senses
*my tendancy to agree to "meeting on the mountain while we wait for  the 
*miracle to come," or something along those lines.  So...just struggling with 
*my negativity and letting you know, that I really want to go, but I'll be the
*one in the back of the bus shouting, "This is my stop.  Just let me off here.
*I gotta go.  Stop!", and you guys just say, "Somebody strap DAR back in.  
*She'll be fine in a few minutes!"   

>Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a 
>"brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time.  Just wanted 
>to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass 
>embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or 
>post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at 
>all.  Right?  Isn't it?  Are we suppossed to get naked here or what??  Or is 
>it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on???

----Hey DAR,
why worry so badly, ainīt life hard enough anyway?
As much as Iīve found out, it seems as if we all have found (and created...) a
scarce and precious reservation, where we can gather with AND without maskes,
just as we feel at the very moment.
What a gift, what a find! One gotta have to walk long and dusty roads, to find
a group of people, that do offer a similar atmosphere!
But on the other hand, not really surprising, as long as you keep in mind,
under whose flag we did gather. As much as Iīm concerned, I never found a
person - be it male or female, of what race or nationality ever, who did hold
up that bouquet for acceptance in human diversity that passionate.
There are the ones, who do preach pessimism, the fewer, who try to sell
optimism, how much it might cost, the grief an bitter ones, the humorous hearts
and the shy and hiding. The exibitionistic and exposing ones, the  warriors and
the victims, the 
depressed and the joyful. (I could continue this thread until you would prefer
to switch off your computer, therefore Iīd better stop here.)
What I was trying to say is, there was nearly no mood, no status of emotion,
Cohen had not gained his very personal acquaintance with. The only - reliefing
- exception, I suppose, was the narrow-hearted "this OR that". Iīm convinced,
thereīs not many wrinkles left of human soul, he did not discover, investigate,
feel deeply and discribed masterly.
So please donīt make that excessive demand on yourself, to fit into any
precountably system. (At least not here, in the magical omnibus.) 
Just enjoy your cynical voice as well as the one, that yearns for social
gathering. Donīt try to force one of them grow mute. Hey, both do belong to
you. They both are worth to be heard. They both are wellcome. Both of them are
talking in us as well, and therefore will be able to answer yourīs.   
By the way - I love the picture you did paint of yourself, strapped and
complaining in the back of the bus. And be sure, thereīll be enough
opportunities, where you will be the one, who caring and caressingly straps one
of us.
We all did gain our very private acquaintence with the deamons of the
dark...and itīs renewed often enough... 

Judith



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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Show yourselves!
From: lcdont@aol.com (LcDonT)
Date: 22 Nov 1997 17:54:26 GMT

> Are we suppossed to get naked here or what??  Or is 
>it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on???

Just " Be for real"  ( and you can keep your shirt on...)

Don

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: Show yourselves!
From: "Tony H. McLendon" 
Date: 23 Nov 1997 19:25:24 GMT

I disagree -- get nakad!

Tony

LcDonT  wrote in article
<19971122175401.MAA13894@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> > Are we suppossed to get naked here or what??  Or is 
> >it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on???
> 
> Just " Be for real"  ( and you can keep your shirt on...)
> 
> Don
>

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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: turning into gold
From: "Catherine A. Murphy" 
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:05:19 -0600

Chip Seward wrote:
> 
> ak347@is7.nyu.edu wrote:
> >
> > "I'd like to tell my story
> >  before I turn to gold"
> >
> > "I think that "turning into gold" is a phrase layered with meanings.."
> 
> I always took it to be alchemy...turning "base" metals into gold through
> various chemistries/magics...a spiritual quest, burning himself down to
> an essence and starting anew, "regeneration thru degeneration," as in
> Beautiful Losers."
> 
> In one of his poems he says he (I'm getting this from memory) thinks
> he's turning into gold because "I've already turned into lead."
> 
> The alchemists were often gnostics, and there's a gnostic thread in LCs
> stuff..."there is a crack in everything...that's how the light gets
> in..."
> 
> aff,
> 
> Chip


Chip--Your quote is from The Cuckold's Song


>         
>         If this looks like a poem
>         I might as well warn you at the beginning
>         that it's not meant to be one.
>         I don't want to turn anything into poetry.
>         I know all about her part in it
>         but I'm not concerned with that right now.
>         This is between you and me.
>         Personally I don't give a damn who led who on:
>         In fact I wonder if I give a damn at all.
>         But a man's got to say something.
>         Anyhow you fed her 5 MacKewan Ales,
>         took her to your room, put the right records on,
>         and in an hour or two it was done.
>         I know all about passion and honor
>         but unfortunately, this had really nothing to do with either:
>         Oh there was passion I'm only too sure
>         And even a little honor
>         but the important thing was to cuckold Leonard Cohen.
>	  Hell, I might just as well address this to the both of you:
>	  I haven't time to write anything else.
>	  I've got to say my prayers.
>	  I've got to wait by the window.
>         I repeat:  the important thing was to cuckold Leonard Cohen.
>         I like that line because it's got my name in it.
>         What really makes me sick
>         is that everything goes on as it went before:
>         I'm still a sort of friend,
>         I'm still a sort of lover.
>         But not for long:
>         That's why I'm telling this to the two of you.
>         The fact is I'm turning to gold, turning to gold.
>         it's a long process, they say,
>         it happens in states.
>         This is to inform you that I've already turned to clay.

		Leonard Cohen, _The Spice Box of Earth_

Thank all of you for your words on turning to gold.  I see that it is a
process/journey that all of us undertake if we are lucky.  I like very
much LC's comment in his recent interview about his tenderness (and
forgiveness?) for his younger self. I like to think that I have begun to
feel/do the same for myself. 

Cathy
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Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen
Subject: Re: turning into gold
From: "Chris Chalifoux" 
Date: 19 Nov 1997 00:05:58 GMT



ak347@is7.nyu.edu wrote in article <64stuk$rmk$1@news.nyu.edu>...
> "I'd like to tell my story
>  before I turn to gold"
> 
> I think that "turning into gold" is a phrase layered with meanings, and
> all of them are valid, since it's poetry.  

Once anti-war activists from both US coasts were going to meditate at the
same time to try to raise the Pentagon to protest the war in Vietnam.

"The difference," one participant told me, "between the two sides of the
country was that on the East Coast it was considered a media event, out on
the West Coast they were fully expecting to see the Pentagon rise off it's
foundation."

I was a little too young (or too stoned) to have been in on this but I
already know which camp I'm in.
Maybe if there was just one more person on the ……..oh it's just plain
foolish to speculate on this anymore.

Turning to gold :

Like a piece of petrified wood we too have our beginning as a much more
transitory material.
Comprised of elements found in clay. 
We can let the pressure of the Cosmos bake us into hard bricks that are
only good for stacking or creating boundaries (or Pentagons).
Or we can water our spirit with words of life until life has its way in us.
Life will lead us and make us willing to let go of this transitory life a
little at a time as an eternal life replaces each bit of the clay.
A tiny bit at a time until we are that life.
Until we are that pure and malleable work of gold.
A golden lampstand which is pure in nature and burning with the oil of the
spirit

Why then will I not fall like an old Oak into a river of water of life
where I'll be steeped, permeated with elements much richer than the clay I
now cling to so stubbornly?

Eagerly (but not eagerly enough) awaiting transformation,

Chris

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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan Christmas Songs
From: Bob Stacy 
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:24:34 -0500

TIMHRK@AOL.COM wrote:

> Hey, speaking of the holidays could somebody repost the SNOW ON
> INTERSTATE 80
> thing. That was so amazing, it’s like the holy grail of Dylan
> releases. Does
> it exist? Is it myth? I have been thinking about it since I read it
> last
> year.
>
> In fact, making its positng an annual christmas event is a great idea.
>
> PS, I could figure out to use that archive thing I would.
>
> PLEASE REPOST ON SNOW ON INTERSTATE 80.

Well -- I dunno about the holy grail of Dylan releases.  But the rumor
of that LP did seem to raise the ante on the Dylan myth a degree or two
(even with tongue in cheek).  And that newspaper(?) article did bring a
chuckle even in the old days.  Ah well, since some of us really have
been good boys & girls this past year -- and I can't make that archive
thing work too well either -- we'll just slog down another cup of
Christmas cheer and let fly with a good old reposting.  For it 'tis the
season ....

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Oh my!  'Tis it once again the season to dredge up a Ghost of Christmas
Past?  Move over Marley, here comes Ebeneezer Bob.

Please pardon if this has been posted previously or is elsewhere on the
net, but from [God-knows-where, December 1975], Dean Te Dios did write:
-------------------------------------------------------------
DYLAN - the missing Christmas album

At last, definite evidence has come to light that confirms that, in the
autumn of 1965, Bob Dylan *did* record a Christmas Album.

The existence of the Dylan Christmas Album has always been hotly denied
by Dylan himself, his management, and his record company.  Even the most
determined bootleggers and Dylanologists have been unable to obtain
extant copies of the record, the master tapes of which were allegedly
destroyed when the project was suddenly nixed by Dylan himself at the
eleventh hour.

Now, "Thrills" has obtained a copy, rumoured to be one of only seven
copies in the world, the other copies being in the possession of Dylan
himself, his then manager Albert Grossman, ex-CBS president Clive Davis
and anonymous French collector said to have paid $100,000 for it in
1966.

How this copy of the album - which was entitled "Snow Over Interstate
80" - came into our hands, must of course, remain the darkest of
secrets.  But here, for your delight, are the true facts.

The sessions which produced "Interstate" took place in New York City,
between the completion of "Highway 61Revisited" and the commencement of
the "Blonde On Blonde" sessions.  Considering the album comes from
Dylan's 'classic' middle period, most of the tracks are, frankly,
disappointing.

It has been said that the idea of a Christmas Album was forced on Dylan
against his will by commercial pressures and a previously unnoticed
clause in his recording contract.  Dylan seems to have treated the idea
with an intriguing mixture of enthusiasm and commercial cynicism.

The album had apparently been completed, mixed, and several thousand
copies pressed before Dylan reversed his decision and cancelled the
whole project, after threatening never to perform again if the album
were released.  Even the cover artwork had been tentatively completed
[when Dylan announced his decision], the rough of which "Thrills" shows
for the first time.

Side one kicks off with a dynamic up-tempo version of "Visions Of
Johanna", in which the "Nightingale's Code" version of the lyrics is
laid over a rocking Kooper/Bloomfield workout on what is at root, a
standard Jimmy Reed riff.  The track runs to some seven minutes and
tends to slide over the edge towards the end when Bloomfield and Kooper
indulge in a lengthy pre-"Super Session" trading of solos.

Track two is a studio recording of "Tell Me Mama" that Dylan performed
regularly during the 1966 tour with The Band and is already preserved on
the "Live At The Albert Hall" bootleg.

The third track is the most bizarre on the record.  Would you believe
"Frosty The Snowman" in the style of the Ronettes on Phil Spector's
Christmas album with The Zim giving a three year advance preview on his
"Nashville Skyline" voice?  Fantastic, but true.  Dylan drawls out the
lyrics, and at one memorable juncture after yelling ".... and two eyes
made out of co-a-l" adds a spontaneous whoop of "believe me mama".

The production credit for "Frosty" is mysteriously given to one "Delmore
Nis Won", which, according to more than one reliable source, was Phil
Spector and Brian Wilson working in uneasy harness at Dylan's personal
and adamant insistence.

The first side closes with a massed female chorale of dubious pitch
singing "I'm Dreaming Of A White Christmas" against an almost mournful
background of strings, with an occasional overdub of some lazy slide
guitar, sounding suspiciously like early Ry Cooder.  The chorale was
apparently made up of youthful Greenwich Village folkies, including
(according to some sources) the anonymous and bespectacled eighteen year
old Patti Smith, and the Warhol model Edie Sedgwick.

Dylan occurs nowhere on the entire cut unless it is he strumming lazy
twelve string rhythm guitar.  Production here, however, is credited to
Dylan.

Side Two opens with the title track, "Snow Over Interstate 80" - which
is possibly as magnificent as anything on "Blonde  On Blonde", with
lines like:

"Arabella talks so sweetly
Her Chevy's broken down
As the snow piles on her windshield
Winston's back in town ... "

Backing is the 'jingle jangle' sound of numbers like "Stuck Inside of
Mobile With Thee" supplemented at the end with some heavily echoed
sleigh bells.

It's followed bv "Farewell Angelina", which is frankly, just not that
good.  It seems to have been left over from an earlier session -
possibly from "Another Side" - and features Dylan playing acoustic and
singing halfheartedly.  Joan Baez did it better.

Then we are confronted by another sop to a 'Dylan Christmas Album', as
he recites, with no instrumental accompaniment, the relevant part of St.
Matthew's gospel - "And there came a great light, etc."

It takes a little over a minute.  There is nothing else to say.

Those of you still reading this will probably be familiar with the
widely bootlegged "She's Your Lover Now", which is the next cut.  In
fact, none of the bootleg versions has a completely mixed ending like
the version presented here, which has a fade-out time of  some two
minutes.

Next up is an eight minute marathon cut, called "Freewheelin'", never
previously bootlegged or published.  It's a slow acoustic number
supplemented with spartan bass and drums and a sinewy guitar from what
must be Robbie Robertson, and seems to be another diatribe against Suzy
Rolloto [sp.] whom enthusiasts recall is pictured walking down
snow-bound streets of New York with Dylan on the cover of "Freewheelin"'
album.

The album then swings back in its schizoid fashion to a final stab at a
seasonal offering with "Silent Night" with what sounds like Michael
Bloomfield playing primo tacky acoustic and Dylan's almost consistently
out of tune singing.

It's easy to see why Dylan insisted on the whole thing being scrapped
despite the outstanding magnificence of a handful of the cuts.  The
title track was also being considered for a Christmas Single by all
accounts.

A later Dylan Christmas single rumoured to be called "Woodstock Yule",
and alledgedly arising from the "Self Portrait" sessions, has never come
to light.

---------------------- End of 1975 article ----------------------

The article shows a cover for the album - a head and shoulders shot of a
1965-ish Dylan on an all-white background.  Full title is "Bob Dylan:
Snow Over Interstate 80".  A CBS emblem appears in the upper right hand
corner (no other labeling or identifiers are visible).

Oh mama, could this have really been the end? ;-)

Happy Mickelmass!

-Bob Stacy
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wake us up again next year 'round about this time, supply another a cup
or two of Christmas cheer, and once again we'll bring down the snow over
Interstate 80.  Damn, I just love annual Christmas events, don't you?
;-)

-Bob Stacy



So, David, how're you doin'?



970918.1058 [from hand-written note, kept]

With a wine + several Whiskey Cokes in my gut + head, I contemplate the
Kleenex box (each sheet pops up) - the tissue stands above its box in a
kind of anticipating reverence.

Slight curving twist, a beautiful, mysterious curve produced by the slit
in the plastic being narrower than the width of the sheet - beauty
formed by constraint.

All things beautiful come about because of some constraint.  The flowing
of life energie around their constraints.  The prison generating the
illusion of freedom.

The ad in Isthmus of a gent with a beard on a motorcycle -
"Wouldn't you like to be this free?"  Yeah, the freedom of bondage to
the gasoline tank.  Typical American business promoting a "freedom" that
requires you to be devoted to a brand name to be "free".

I have freedoms even *I* haven't seen yet.

There is *no* freedom outside the trees.  The bondage is complete when
anyone else knows where you are.

I have a ton of examples I could cite as to why you are *never* free.
Why you can *never* get away until you *get away*.

And in the room full of skeletons you imagine yourself to have flesh!
In the god-forsaken tunnels where you are driven by the Quarn, you
imagine you have the faith!

In every fart you've emitted, you have found God.

In every tear you've shed, you're forgiven by the universe.

Well, you've lost all those farts + those tears in the swamp that
swallowed you as easily + as un-empathically as a stone.

[970919.0827. You've used up all your farts and all your tears.]


Surprise! All your letters and mine are now online!

Notes on Benford - Stars in shroud, etc.


980112.0539
Hey, you *did* wear your cheesehead hat on Sunday, Jan 11, didn't you? I'm
keeping an eye on you.  Behold the glory, in the enclosed posters.

TOOM.

FLW Center.
Kohl Center.

950527.1740  [Copied from hand-written note]
The Bible shivered on the pavement, the wind flipping its pages first to
Daniel, then Matthew, back to Ezekiel's bones.  Hovered while the snow
... down, then riled a chorus of Leviticus, Obadiah, + John.  Finally
muffled under a coat of soft snow.

A doll with one eye poked out, in standing position on her back, left
arm cocked in thought, right arm twisted in its socket, inane smile +
curly brown hair.

I stepped onto the pavement, hoping no car would skid + slide into me.
I bent to the Bible.


980114.0518.
So Jim stood on the ledge, and before he jumped he told me all there is
to know about fixing the fuse on a Proctor-Silex toaster.  As he fell
toward the pavement sparks flew from his lips.  Some reached me before
he splatted.  They plucked at my eyelids and smoked my cigaret, while
telling me marvelous ditties from the range - cowpokes and injuns.

It was only months after, and all the while the image of blood and
gristle smeared on the pavement in my head, that I broke down and cried
for my friend - no, for me for my friend.  I saw in that moment what a
chunk of my life he had occupied and now it was ripped out of me.

I put on my cheesehead hat and hummed my alma mater under my breath,
picked up my slide rule, and went right back to work!




BLIND WILLIE MCTELL
(Words and Music by Bob Dylan)
 1983 Special Rider Music

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem.
I traveled through East Texas
Where many martyrs fell
And I know no one can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

Well, I heard the hoot owl singing
As they were taking down the tents
The stars above the barren trees
Were his only audience
Them charcoal gypsy maidens
Can strut their feathers well
But nobody can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

See them big plantations burning
Hear the cracking of the whips
Smell that sweet magnolia blooming
(And) see the ghosts of slavery ships
I can hear them tribes a-moaning
(I can) hear the undertakers bell
(Yeah), nobody can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

Theres a woman by the river
With some fine young handsome man
Hes dressed up like a squire
Bootlegged whiskey in his hand
Theres a chain gang on the highway
I can hear them rebels yell
And I know no one can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

Well, God is in heaven
And we all want whats his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is
Im gazing out the window
Of the St. James Hotel
And I know no one can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell



FOOT OF PRIDE
(Words and Music by Bob Dylan)
 1983 Special Rider Music

Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang Danny Boy at his funeral and the Lords Prayer
Preacher talking bout Christ betrayed
Its like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say  about bein nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin down

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back

Hear ya got a brother named James, dont forget faces or names
Sunken cheeks and his blood is mixed
He looked straight into the sun and said revenge is mine
But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed
Sing me one more song, about ya love me to the moon and the stranger
And your fall by the sword love affair with Erroll Flynn
in these times of compassion when conformitys in fashion
Say one more stupid thing to me before the final nail is driven in.

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back

Theres a retired businessman named Red, cast down from heaven and hes out of his head
He feeds off of everyone that he can touch
He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash
Hes not somebody that you play around with much
Miss Delilah is his, a Philistine is what she is
Shell do wondrous works with your fate
Feed you coconut bread, spice buns in your bed
If you dont mind sleepin with your head face down in a grave.

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back

Well theyll choose a man for you to meet tonight
Youll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors
How to enter into the gates of paradise
No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours
Yeah, from the stage theyll be tryin to get water outta rocks
A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks
They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in
Sing Amazing Grace all the way to the Swiss banks

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back

They got some beautiful people out there, man
They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your tongue
They got mystery written all over their forehead
They kill babies in the crib and say only the good die young
They dont believe in mercy
Judgment on them is something that youll never see
They can exalt you up or bring you down main route
Turn you into anything that they want you to be

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back

Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Aint nothin left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, thisll be where youre from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade

Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down
Aint no goin back





                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #2

                     January 7, 1998 - 09:30 a.m. EST (6:30 a.m. PST)

                    Following its spectacular launch at 9:28:44pm EST
                    (6:28:44 PST) on January 6 from the new Spaceport
                    Florida commercial pad at Cape Canaveral, FL, the
                    Lunar Prospector spacecraft is performing extremely
                    well, according to operations personnel in the
                    Mission Control Center (MCC) at Ames Research
                    Center in Moffett Field, CA.

                    As of 7:30am EST, the spacecraft's science booms
                    have been completely and successfully deployed, and
                    all science instruments--including the Magnetometer
                    (MAG), the Electron Reflectometer (ER), the Neutron
                    Spectrometer (NS), the Gamma Ray Spectrometer
                    (GRS), and the Alpha Particle Spectrometer
                    (APS)--have been turned on. The first trajectory
                    correction maneuver (TCM) has been performed with
                    preliminary results looking very good, according to
                    Missions Operations Manager Marcie Smith.

                    The spacecraft is currently spinning at 11.2 rpm,
                    as planned, at the nominal cruise attitude.

                    Mission control reported some anticipated problems
                    with poor quality following initial data
                    acquisition. This resulted from the geometry of the
                    link between the spacecraft and the ground
                    station--with the body of the vehicle itself
                    partially blocking communication. Consequently,
                    mission operations personnel delayed the scheduled
                    spacecraft orientation until improved data quality
                    could be achieved.

                    Since the deployment sequence for the spacecraft's
                    science booms was delayed, the original
                    reorientation of the spacecraft was modified to put
                    the vehicle in a more favorable thermal condition
                    for boom deployment. The spacecraft was oriented to
                    the nominal cruise attitude following science
                    configuration mission operations personnel report.

                    The spacecraft's science instruments will be turned
                    to high voltage today, following a 'degassing'
                    period, and a second vehicle TCM will be performed,
                    if required.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035



                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #3

                     January 8, 1998 - 12:00 noon EST (9:00 a.m. PST)

                    Lunar Prospector mission operations personnel
                    report the successful completion of activities on
                    day 2 of the mission timeline. Excellent support
                    from the Deep Space Network has ensured no
                    significant outages in telemetry or command uplink.
                    The monitoring of engineering and science data was
                    the primary activity during this first full-day of
                    spacecraft operation. All systems appear normal.

                    Between 1:09 a.m. and 2:44 a.m. (EST), the Electron
                    Reflectometer, Neutron Spectrometer, and Gamma Ray
                    Spectrometer instruments were commanded to high
                    voltage. There were no anomalies and all
                    instruments are currently providing good data. The
                    current focus for the instruments is to collect
                    calibration data enroute to the moon.

                    The second trajectory correction maneuver (TCM) was
                    performed between 3:25 and 3:40 a.m. (EST). It was
                    relatively small, only 8.4 m/s, and the navigation
                    team was busy verifying the results during the
                    overnight session. A third TCM has been scheduled
                    for Friday night/Saturday morning to trim out any
                    final errors.

                    It had been scheduled that the spacecraft would be
                    placed into its attitude for lunar orbit insertion
                    (LOI) burn after the TCM tonight, but that has been
                    postponed until tomorrow afternoon. This will allow
                    the dynamics engineer to get an update on the
                    initial attitude, which changed slightly due to the
                    TCM.

                    The current configuration of the spacecraft is as
                    follows: it is spinning at 12.685 rpm, at cruise
                    attitude, and all instruments are on. Data is
                    currently being transmitted to the ground tracking
                    station at 3600 bps (science format) on the omni
                    antenna.

                    Activities for the next 24 hours include a command
                    session beginning about 8 p.m. EST (Jan. 8) to
                    command two of the instruments which may need gain
                    changes, and to reorient the spacecraft to the LOI
                    attitude.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035


                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #5

                     January 10, 1998 - 6:00 p.m. EST (3:00 p.m. PST)

                    The Lunar Prospector spacecraft continues to
                    perform extremely well and is right on schedule,
                    according to Missions Operations Manager Marcie
                    Smith.

                    Overnight, a possible third trajectory correction
                    maneuver (TCM) was deemed unnecessary and was
                    cancelled. Only 8 science configuration commands
                    were sent to the spacecraft since the last status
                    report.

                    Missions operations personnel now anticipate that
                    the Lunar Prospector spacecraft will make its
                    closest approach to the Moon within 4 seconds of
                    the planned time, and will fly by at an altitude
                    within 3 km of the target.

                    The attitude of the spacecraft is currently correct
                    for the first lunar orbit insertion (LOI) firing,
                    and so an overnight reorientation trim manuever was
                    also unnecessary and was cancelled.

                    The first of the three scheduled lunar orbit
                    insertion (LOI) burns is set for 6:45 a.m. EST
                    (3:45 a.m. PST) on Sunday morning, January 11.
                    Subsequent burns will follow within approximately
                    24 hours each, early on Monday and Tuesday
                    mornings, depending upon the results of the first
                    LOI burn, its effect upon the spacecraft and the
                    vehicle's resulting orbit.

                    Status reports on the results of each of the LOI
                    burns will be issued as soon as mission operations
                    personnel can provide verified information. For
                    planning purposes only and subject to change, you
                    are advised that these status reports are currently
                    anticipated to be posted on this website by about
                    10 a.m. EST (7 a.m. PST) on the mornings of Sunday
                    Jan. 11 and Monday Jan. 12, and at about 12 noon
                    EST (9 a.m. PST) on Tuesday Jan. 13, 1998.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035



                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #6

                    January 11, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST)

                    The Lunar Prospector spacecraft has successfully
                    entered orbit around the Moon, reports Mission
                    Operations Manager Marcie Smith. Following a highly
                    successful first lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burn
                    early this morning, an absolutely critical maneuver
                    for mission success, all indications are that we
                    have a very healthy spacecraft and that everything
                    is right on track for a long and productive science
                    mission, according to Mission Director Alan Binder
                    of the Lunar Research Institute, Gilroy, CA.

                    At 2:45 a.m. PST (5:45 a.m. EST), the maneuver
                    command to begin the first LOI burn was loaded into
                    the spacecraft register and began timing down. At
                    precisely 3:45 a.m. PST (6:45 a.m. EST), the two
                    thrusters on the underside of the spacecraft were
                    fired for 32.2 minutes continuously to slow the
                    vehicle and put it into lunar orbit. That maneuver
                    was completed at 4:17 a.m. PST (7:17 a.m. EST).
                    Preliminary analysis of the tracking data shows
                    that the spacecraft is in an 11.8-hour period
                    orbit, very close to the target 12-hour orbit.

                    Today's lunar orbit insertion maneuver was a
                    critical event for the Lunar Prospector spacecraft.
                    If, for whatever reason, the engines could not have
                    been commanded to fire within about 2 hours of the
                    time of closest approach, the mission would have
                    ended in a flyby of the Moon. Now, the spacecraft
                    is safely in a stable orbit. Although second and
                    third LOI burns are scheduled for tomorrow and
                    Tuesday, they are not time critical.

                    The latest pre-LOI trajectory showed that Lunar
                    Prospector flew by the Moon at an altitude of 71 km
                    (about 45 miles), about 11 km below the original
                    target. The inclination of the orbit was about 89.7
                    degrees, just below the 89.9 degree target. The
                    time of closest approach was estimated to be 33
                    seconds earlier than the original target.

                    The spacecraft is currently spinning at 13.2 rpm,
                    and all science instruments are on and working.
                    Although mission science data collection has not
                    officially begun, the spectrometer scientist was
                    thrilled to see his first lunar data during the
                    time of closest approach.

                    The initial estimate of the orbit period at 11.8
                    hours suggests that the orbit will reach an
                    altitude of just over 8,500 km at its furthest
                    distance from the Moon just under six hours after
                    the burn, according to missions operations
                    personnel. A contingency spin trim maneuver
                    scheduled for after the LOI burn was cancelled, as
                    there was very little change in the spin rate
                    during the maneuver and it was not deemed
                    necessary.

                    The spacecraft performed perfectly throughout the
                    LOI maneuver, even though some minor data outages
                    were encountered. The Deep Space Network (DSN)
                    stations lost lock on the uplink and downlink
                    signal from the spacecraft during the burn as a
                    result of problems experienced in getting the
                    trajectory predictions to the stations before the
                    maneuver. As a result, about 5 minutes of data was
                    lost. Analysis of today's event has ensured that
                    the prediction problem is now well understood;
                    similar outages are not anticipated during the
                    second and third LOI burns tomorrow and Tuesday
                    mornings.

                    A capture orbit correction maneuver is scheduled
                    for this morning, Jan. 11 at 9:40 a.m. PST (12:40
                    p.m. EST), if necessary. This will allow correction
                    of the inclination if it was perturbed sufficiently
                    during today's first LOI burn. The next major
                    activity will be initiated at about 3:15 a.m. PST
                    (6:15 a.m. EST) on Monday morning, Jan. 12 when a
                    second 30-minute LOI burn will be fired resulting
                    in a predicted reduction of the orbit period of the
                    spacecraft to only 3.5 hours at the conclusion of
                    LOI 2. The third and final LOI burn is scheduled
                    for early Tuesday morning, Jan. 12, 1998.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035



                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #7

                    January 12, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST)

                    The Mission Control Center at NASA's Ames Research
                    Center reports that the Lunar Prospector spacecraft
                    his now been successfully commanded through 2/3 of
                    the maneuvers required to put it into its final
                    desired mapping orbit configuration approximately
                    62 miles (100 km) above the lunar surface. That was
                    achieved with this morning's second lunar orbit
                    insertion (LOI) burn. That burn began at 5:58 a.m.
                    EST (2:58 a.m. PST), concluding 27 minutes later at
                    6:25 a.m. EST (3:25 a.m. PST) with the spacecraft
                    in its scheduled 3.5-hour period orbit. The
                    spacecraft continues to perform precisely as
                    planned.

                    During LOI #2, the closest approach (periselene)
                    altitude of the spacecraft was approximately 52
                    miles (83 km), and the furthest distance
                    (aposelene) altitude was an estimated 1170 miles
                    (1870 km). Closest approach during the second LOI
                    burn occured at 6:12 a.m. EST (3:12 a.m. PST).
                    Periapsis is about 30 degrees north and the orbit
                    plane is currently almost perpendicular to the
                    Earth-Moon line, so that if one is looking at the
                    Moon one could see the entire orbit, with periapsis
                    to the upper right and the aposelene about one-half
                    a lunar diameter away from the Moon to the lower
                    left. This means that the spacecraft never gets
                    behind the Moon as seen from Earth and continuous
                    communications can be maintained.

                    The third and final LOI burn is scheduled for
                    tomorrow morning, beginning at approximately 6:27
                    a.m. EST (3:27 a.m. PST) and continuing for
                    approximately 30 minutes. Following that burn,
                    mission operations personnel report that they will
                    be experiencing 20-minute occultations during each
                    2-hour orbit, increasing to 47 minutes within a
                    week. The orbit plane is also perpendicular to the
                    Moon-Sun line, so that the spacecraft will not go
                    behind the Moon into shadow. The first eclipses
                    start about 9 days after LOI burn # 3.

                    The current spacecraft configuration is: all
                    science instruments on, 3600 bps on the omni
                    antenna, spinning at 12.15 rpm with the spin axis
                    in the LOI burn attitude. To date, the spacecraft
                    has burned 57.95% of its initial fuel load of 138
                    kg (approx. 304 lbs). Tomorrow's LOI burn is
                    expected to use another 17.4%, leaving 34 kg
                    (approx. 75 lbs). This is sufficient to maintain
                    the spacecraft's mapping orbit under predicted
                    circumstances throughout its primary and extended
                    missions.

                    A one-hour press conference and status briefing
                    summarizing activities and accomplishments to date
                    and highlighting upcoming events and scientific
                    expectations for the Lunar Prospector mission is
                    scheduled for the main auditorium at NASA Ames
                    Research Center on Tuesday morning, Jan. 13, 1998
                    beginning at 9 a.m. PST (12 noon EST). The briefing
                    will be carried live on NASA Television.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035



                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #8

                    January 13, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST)

                    The Lunar Prospector spacecraft was successfully
                    placed into a preliminary mapping orbit this
                    morning when the third lunar orbit insertion (LOI)
                    burn was completed, according to missions
                    operations personnel at the NASA Ames Mission
                    Control Center. By firing the two aft axial
                    thrusters on the vehicle for a period of 27
                    minutes, Lunar Prospector was placed into a nearly
                    circular orbit at an altitude of approximately 100
                    km (63 miles). All science instruments are
                    collecting good data, and the spacecraft continues
                    to work precisely as planned.

                    The LOI #3 flyby altitude was 89 km (56 miles), at
                    an inclination of 89.93 degrees. By design, today's
                    LOI burn was deliberately conservative in nature.
                    Initial estimates from the navigation team are that
                    the burn was about 4% low, and that the orbit is
                    still somewhat elliptical at approx. 92 x 160 km
                    (58 x 100 miles). The burn lasted for 27 minutes
                    and used about 23.5 kg (51.7 lbs) of propellant.
                    The spacecraft now has 34 kg (approx. 75 lbs) of
                    propellant remaining to maintain the spacecraft's
                    mapping orbit during its one-year nominal mission
                    (and anticipated extended mission at lower
                    altitude).

                    After today's LOI burn, the spin rate was trimmed
                    back to 12 rpm to meet science requirements.
                    Tomorrow, Jan. 14, the science instrument gains
                    will be "tweaked" to match the data seen in the
                    mapping orbit. On Thursday, Jan. 15, the orbit will
                    be made more circular in nature, the attitude
                    oriented to the nominal attitude (spin axis
                    perpendicular to the ecliptic plane), and the
                    antenna switched to the medium gain antenna.

                    Lunar occultations, where the spacecraft passes
                    behind the Moon as seen from the Earth's ground
                    stations, will start later today.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035



Applied Space Resources
Hicksville, New York

For Further Information Contact:

     Beth Elliott
     516-579-1249
     eelliott@appliedspace.com

Returning to the Moon: Retrieving Lunar Resources

Applied Space Resources, Inc., plans to launch privately-funded
Lunar Sample Return Mission by 30th anniversary of first robotic
lunar rock retrieval.

As NASA's Lunar Prospector mapping mission set off to chart the
moon's mineral resources, a private company announced its plan to
put lunar rock in the hands of research organizations and private
citizens alike. Applied Space Resources, Inc. (ASR) of Long
Island, New York says it expects to be able to offer to the
general public, through commercial distribution channels,
approximately ten kilograms of lunar rock at a retail price
comparable to high-quality gemstones. ASR also plans to sell
additional material to interested scientific research
organizations. ASR says it expects to launch its lunar sample
return mission, the Lunar Retriever, by September 2000, the 30th
anniversary of Luna 16, the first robotic sample mission to soft
land on the moon.

ASR is developing a core competency in the use of existing
technologies for the development of resources in near-Earth
space. Its focus is to deliver spacecraft to any destination with
precision, and return resources and information with equal
precision, for a profit.

And the resources available for development are considerable.
Astronomers have plotted the orbits of 400 near-Earth asteroids a
kilometer or greater in diameter, and estimate their number to be
closer to 2,000. Some of them would be easier to reach and return
materials from than our Moon. Because of their size and the
processes by which they were formed, these asteroids have rare
metals such as platinum close to the surface; in this way, they
differ from Earth, where most precious metals lie far beneath the
planetary crust. Both NASA and Japan are planning missions to
test new technology and assay particular asteroids.

As an initial mission, ASR has chosen the more modest goal of
landing a spacecraft at a site on Sea of Tranquillity, gathering
rock and soil and returning it safely to Earth, while leaving
instruments behind for ongoing data transmission to Earth. It
sees this mission as hastening the day when, for the first time
in human history, individuals can gaze upon Earth's nearest
neighbor while holding an affordable piece of it in their hands
.. the day when businesspeople and engineers can retrieve
formerly scarce resources from space. "We consider our Lunar
Sample Return Mission an important demonstration of the value of
space resources," says ASR Vice President Beth Elliott.

Elliott points out that a lunar sample return mission costing
less than $100 million could return a quantity of lunar material
with enough demand in the marketplace to make the return on
investment attractive to financial backers. The current market
for lunar samples is restricted by low supply and characterized
by extremely high prices. In 1993, a sample of lunar material
said to be from the Apollo 14 mission was sold publicly despite a
federal policy prohibiting private ownership of material
collected during the U.S. manned lunar landings. This sample,
alleged to be lunar dust collected off Dave Scott's lunar EVA
suit, sold for $42,500 based on the speculation that it was lunar
in origin -- scientific authentication was never performed. A
subsequent sale of lunar material from one of the former Soviet
Union's three successful Luna sampling missions occurred at a
Sotheby's auction. A sample weighing just a few grains, less than
one carat in weight, sold for an astounding $442,000 -- or $2,200
per milligram.

"Missions like the Lunar Retriever are essential to understanding
the resources available to a future manned lunar base, " says Jay
Manifold, another ASR vice president. Manifold explains that an
In-Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU) program is key to developing
a manned lunar base, and key to ISRU development is having
samples of lunar resources in the hands of scientists on Earth.

Manifold will also be pointing out the parallels between the
commercialization of near-Earth space and European voyages of
exploration on January 14th in a presentation to the American
Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) at their 36th
Aerospace Sciences Meeting and Exhibit in Reno, Nevada. In both
instances, says Manifold, rival superpowers financed the
technology of exploration, then, in the case of European
exploration, retreated into the business of granting royal
charters for a share of the profits. Individual entrepreneurs,
finding that a purse full of coin could carry limited clout in
emergencies, began to consolidate their operations, which led to
the development of the corporation. A similar pattern is
appearing with the advent of NASA's Discovery program and other
efforts by world governments to push the financial risks of space
exploration into the private sector. A copy of the presentation
will be made available to the public at ASR's website on the day
of the presentation [http://www.appliedspace.com]

When working with potential and financial partners, ASR's
principals stress the importance of entrepreneurs to opening
near-Earth space to resource development. ASR will make its
services available to private and public concerns alike, but will
take no subsidies. "Humankind will only benefit from the
resources of space when they are developed by private enterprises
such as ours," says ASR CEO Denise Norris. "We intend to use our
knowledge, creativity, hard work and business vision to
demonstrate the viability of market-driven space missions. We
will not go to the public asking them to send us into space. We
will go into space first, then come to the public with something
to offer: the productive utilization of the vast resources of
near-Earth space."


                         Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #9

                    January 14, 1998 - 3:00 p.m. EST (12:00 noon PST)

                    The Lunar Prospector spacecraft continues to
                    operate nominally. The vehicle is in perfect
                    health, and all of the science instruments are
                    operating and collecting data, as planned.

                    No command activities were scheduled for the past
                    24 hours as the operations team, which had been
                    working around the clock with most major activities
                    occurring during the night hours, began a
                    transition to move command activities into daylight
                    hours. Overall, operations continue, of course, on
                    a 24-hour basis.

                    Spacecraft occultations (where the spacecraft
                    passes behind the Moon as seen from the Earth's
                    ground stations) began on a "once-an-orbit" basis,
                    starting at 10:54 a.m. PST yesterday. The first one
                    lasted for about 7 minutes, and they have
                    subsequently (and already) increased in length to
                    33.5 minutes. As the Moon goes around the Sun,
                    occultations will repeat with a 14-day cycle -- 11
                    days with occultations and 3 days without them.

                    Solar eclipses begin in about 8 days and, as they
                    are related to the position of the Sun, they will
                    repeat in half-year cycles. Consequently, missions
                    operations personnel report that we will experience
                    eclipses every orbit for 147 days, then 40 days
                    without eclipses, before repeating the cycle.

                    The final determination on the spacecraft's current
                    preliminary mapping orbit shows the vehicle to be
                    in a 92 x 153 km (57.5 x 95.5 mile) orbit. The
                    inclination is 90.1 degrees and the orbit period is
                    2 hours (very close to the pre-launch 118-minute
                    predict). This will be trimmed on Thursday
                    afternoon, Jan. 15 (PST), to put the spacecraft
                    into a more circular orbit -- within the desired
                    100ą20 km (62.5ą12.5 mile) orbit. Some science
                    configuration commanding is being performed during
                    the day today, Jan. 14.

                    David Morse
                    Ames Research Center
                    Moffett Field, CA 94035


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Tiny Tina's home
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Rollie's home in the desert
Isthmus - the free newspaper of Madison
QNX - the operating system, graphical text editor, graphical file manager,
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So long -



Bob

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