======== Newsgroups: alt.dreams Subject: Re: What do SEX dreams really mean? From: email@example.com (John Fitzsimons) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:34:13 GMT On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:40:53 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Wondering...) wrote: >Hello all, Might have been an idea to tell us if you were a male or female. :-) As you haven't said, and as women are usually more aware in sleep than most men, I assume you are a female. >I was wondering what it really means when you dream, >sexually, about another person? Dear Ms mcc The other person "may" be thinking about you sexually and wanting on physical and/or non physical levels to have a sexual relationship with you. Keep in mind that rape can occur physically AND non-physically. How did you feel about your experience ? Did you feel you were taken advantage of ? If so a remedy is to ensure you ask your guides of the light to protect you against negative people alive/or dead while you are asleep and/or learn about psychic protection. If you enjoyed the experience it could mean that you are sexually drawn to them this lifetime, a re-run of being that way in a past life, or both. >I have to admit it has happened to me. I really have no >sexual attraction to the person(s) What you possibly mean is no "physical" attraction. If you had a strong sexual interest in this person in a past life and now they do not interest you (in physical looks) then you would have the situation you describe. >Would you consider this a form of infidelity? Depends. YOU set your own moral standards. Plenty of priests, rabbis, ministers, psychologists etc. would be happy to tell you what to do BUT at the end of the day it is still YOU who decides. The "easy" way out is to have no sexual relationships with anyone, other than a partner, either physically and/or non-physically. You may keep in mind however that AFAIK nobody has every got pregnant by having non-physical sex. :-) I do not really think this is a major problem IF : (1) The other party is willing i.e. you are both "consenting" . (2) You still give attention to your actual (physical) partner. Some people actually TELL their partner ! Not such a crazy idea as it might sound. What would happen if you were in bed with your partner called "Harry" and you thought of your dream lover "Tom" and accidently said his name ? Could be a bit hard to *explain*.
Saying Tom is someone you know in a dream might NOT go down so well at that stage. :-) Keep in mind though that IF your partner is very jealous and/or very straight laced then it might be recommended that you DON'T tell him. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ email@example.com, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v ======== Newsgroups: alt.dreams Subject: Babita and the Butthole Gurus From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Two Dolphins ) Date: 12 Jul 1996 15:48:54 GMT What a weird dream. First I was with my two sons. We had to drop off some supplies at a research facility where they did research on tigers. Anyway, this strange looking scientist shows up at the door and asked my kids if the want a tour. I waited outside. While waiting in the parking lot, I noticed there where little booths you can buy insence, so I started buying insence. My kids came out and I asked my oldest son to park my car for me. They left with the car and didn't come back. I was looking for my car, walking through the streets. It was a trashy, scary neighborhood. After walking and walking I saw my car just beyond some railroad tracks. There was a man standing on the tracks and he was the one who decided if you can cross over the tracks. There ws a woman in front of me who was trying to get through. He beat her severly in the head with a tire iron, then let her in. Then it was my turn. I realized I may have to get my head beat as well, but saw no other alternative. Besides, the street was crawling with scum. I approached the man. He grabbed me by the neck---but then he said, ' in order to get through this, you must go to tibet and study to be our guru. If you do this, I will let you have your car' At that point I thought it was best to agree, because once I had my car I could run away. Then he had some other man come out. The man had a deck of tarot cards. He put down the tarot cards ( somehow now there are hundreds of monks sitting on the side of the street) and began to cry. He showed the cards to the first man who also began to cry. He said 'Babita it is you, our long lost GURU' Of course, I was scared, so I agreed. Then I sat down. All these monks----most of them drinking beer---were sitting with us. They start to ask me questions about the universe and infinity---and I gave the best answers I could. Everyone was crying. So, they decided to let me in BUT I could not get to my car and make an escape because everyone was following me. They took me to this small smoke filled room where I was supposed to do a tantric sex act with the two men ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Last Year's Man From: "Catherine A. Murphy" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:13:21 -0700I don't think I can explain the song, but I'd like to talk about the lyrics. They are just wonderful, aren't they? -------------------------------------------------- Last year's man, with a crayon in his hand, is sitting at his drawing table under the skylight. He hasn't drawn in a while; his unfinished blueprint has grown crisp with age, has rolled back and torn away at the corners. The useless thumbtacks throw shadows on the table. It is raining, and the rain drums on the skylight. He thinks about a woman he loved, his Joan of Arc. He was part of her army, one of her soldiers. I wonder if she had to pretend for him to. He will not regret or be jealous of her other lovers; he wears the same uniform. He will not fight those wounded boys she lies beside. They are his friends; they are his brothers. He thinks about the sexual ceremony: the wedding, Bethlehem the inflamed bridegroom; Babylon the trembling bride. They fall together. The veil is lifted; he hangs; he hoists; he goes back to where it all began. Their bodies are bibles bound in blood and skin. They read their pleasant bibles. The rain is still falling and last year's man is still sitting. An hour has gone by; he has not moved his hand. Cathy -------------------------------------------- Robert Robillard wrote: > > Talango2 wrote: > > > > Would anyone care to try to explain this song to me? I realize it's about > > the bible, etc., but it's so full of symbolism that I get a little lost. > > Anyone feel the same way? > > > > Lauren > > Wish I could help you LG but it is a mystery too. Salut bien!!! ======== Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Save Earth from Destruction From: tom chalko Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 16:28:56 +1100SAVE EARTH FROM DESTRUCTION Public Lecture by Michel Desmarquet, author of "Abduction to the 9th Planet" Coming very soon: TOTAL destruction of life on Earth, with NO SECOND CHANCE, unless all peolpe unite in immediate conscious action. This is NOT a theory, it happened on other planets already. The reason is our own ignorance and continuing arogant approach to Nature. We do not understand what we do... Michel brings advice from the most advanced beings in our Galaxy. Lectures: Sat 12 Oct 4:30pm Public Lecture Theatre, Melbourne University Mon 14 Oct 6:30pm Rotunda Theatre R5, Monash University Sat 19 Oct 12:00 noon Public Lecture Theatre, Melbourne University more details: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/michel.htm Reservations recommended (limited number of seats) Dr Tom J. Chalko, University of Melbourne, Australia, email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: wi.madison.general,wi.general,alt.jobs,il.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract,us.jobs,misc.jobs.contract Subject: US-WI - Cobol Programmer/Analysts- Urgent Need! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:53:29 GMT We are currently in need of Cobol programmers who are used to working in a mainframe AS/400 environment. Excellent pay and benefits. This is a longer term contract position. Please email a binary resume ASAP. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: alt.jobs,chi.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.madison.general,wi.general,misc.jobs.contract,us.jobs,milw.jobs,milw.general Subject: US-WI-Immediate need for Network Engineer From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:53:45 GMT Immediate opening - Network Engineer - needs wide Novell experience, CAN/CNE a plus, certification of Novell 4.1 and added plus. Experience in installation, configuration, repair, set-up, etc. Another added plus is strong PC hardware knowledge. Located in Milwaukee, excellent pay and benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: alt.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.general,us.jobs,milw.general,milw.jobs Subject: US-WI-UNIX Administrator- Urgent Need! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:03 GMT UNIX Administrator needed! Ideal candidate will have 4 years hands-on experience, 2 years specifically with UNIX Systems. Experience with media distribution and scripting languages required. Will perform compilation of various platforms (standard and project related). Will develop and enhance scripts - KORN shell and PERL for system adminstration. Located in Milwaukee area. Permanent candidates only, excellent pay and benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: us.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,wi.general,milw.jobs,milw.general,alt.jobs Subject: US-WI-Software Engineer- Immediate Opening! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:09 GMT Candidates must have UNIX experience for real-time embedded software.. Located in the Milwaukee area, this is a 6 month contract position - but may be renewed for exceptional candidates. Medical industry experience a plus. 3-5 years experience in microprocessors, micro-controllers or array processors a plus. TI DSP C30 experience and interleaf a plus. Excellent pay and benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: us.jobs,alt.jobs,milw.jobs,wi.general,misc.jobs.contract,computer.jobs.offered Subject: US-WI Software Validator - Urgent Need! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:16 GMT Position entails the validation of tutorials under development for functionality such as checking buttons and voice overs. Experience on UNIX, multimedia development, Metacard, Hypertext or Authorware a plus. Located in a Milwaukee suburb. Excellent pay & benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: us.jobs,milw.jobs,wi.general,computer.jobs.offered,alt.jobs Subject: US-WI-Project Leader & Project Manager - Immediate Opening! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:22 GMT Knowledge of automated warehousing industry with UNIX, Oracle, SQL, relational databases and C programming skills required. Travel is required for this permanent position, perhaps some internationally. This company's home base is located near Milwaukee. Excellent pay and benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: us.jobs,alt.jobs,computer.jobs.offered,milw.jobs,wi.general,milw.general Subject: US-WI-Senior Database Administrator - Urgent Need! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Omega Technical) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:54:28 GMT Job requires Oracle installation and upgrades for internal and external customers. Must have 5 years relational database administration, must be able to exercise strong priority and multi-task capabilities under high-pressure situations Experience with 3rd party database management/development software (eg.S-Designer, Easy DBA) a definite plus. Permanent position in a Milwaukee suburb with excellent pay & benefits. All response attachments must be in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.0-6.0 Format! Contact: Omega Technical Corporation 15 Spinning Wheel Drive Suite 120 Hinsdale, IL 60521 TEL: (708) 986-8116 FAX: (708) 986-0036 email: email@example.com ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: New Dylan Album !!! From: Glenn Cooper Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:32:17 +1100At 00:23 26/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >Dan Mayshar wrote: > >> let's give him a hand with some songs we think are really >>perfect for the solo-guitar-and harp next album? >> >> 1. illinois blues (skip james ). it's perfect for you, bob. >> 2. lady gay (trad.). you will chill the western world out of >>existance if you do this one... pretty please, bob... >> 3. you hurt me (little willie john did this. [who wrote it?]) you can >>sing soul music, bob, just give it a try. and while you're at it: >> 4. get on the good foot (james brown). >> 5. i'm going home (clifton chenier) try and get tabu ley rochereau, >>make it a duet. cool. > >here's a few more requests, bob: > >6. Pinecone In The Window (carl lefevre). i mean, why not? >7. Teddy Bears Picnic (eleanor roosevelt). everybody's talking about it and >it's probably even better to hear somebody actually sing it, even if they >only use, like, their voice, and maybe a koto. c'mon! wail on this one! >8.Yesterdays (jerome kern - otto harbach) even Red Sovine is afraid of >this one. you could, like, really break it down old school! do guitar >solos, even. lots and lots of 'em. more and more guitar solos. riffs. >fragments. random phrases, whatever you like. >9. Um Um Um Um (curtis mayfield)-ground control to Major Lance! >10. The Bonny Bonny Stereoscopic Wee Lass In The Bleedin' Daguerrotype >(brendan shirts). has a very nice chord variation at verse 114. You might >want to check it out. >11. I Stepped In A Pile Of You And Got Love All Over Me (chet red and/or >harlan peck?). do it in that way cool"sign on the cross" voice! Make us >believe it! >12. Kung Fu Fighting (Tze Pho) seems so obvious now that i mention it, huh? >we're waiting! You could even end all your live concerts with this instead >of that one about drugs that you wrote a long time ago. > >thanks, >max > What about: 1. I'd Rather A Bottle In Front Of Me Than A Frontal Lobotomy. 2. I've Never Been To Bed With An Ugly Woman But I've Sure Woken Up With A Few. 3. They Don't Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore. 4. Drop Kick Me Through The Goalposts of Love. That's it, Glenn C. ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: lenny bruce's genius: a skeleton key From: firstname.lastname@example.org (charles castell) Date: 27 Nov 1996 20:46:01 -0700 8825 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, California February 1, 1964 Mr. John Brogan Attorney at Law 145 State Street Springfield, Massachusetts Dear John: I'm out of money, the tax is late on my house, and the Detroit Board of censors is telling the owner I can't come in on the March 1st date. . . They keep arresting me for being sick and taking medicine -- a non-narcotic, Methedrine. When I was in San Francisco, I had a siege of narcolepsy and I called the hotel doctor and was refused. He told me he didn't want to get involved. This has happened in several cities. In Miami, I was arrested for possession of insulin needles used for the administration of Methedrine. Dr. Trop had to come to court, and for the third time I was forced to hire counsel to defend myself and received unfavorable press nationwide. At the time of the arrest, the policeman was two blocks from the doctor's office, and the doctor was in. I begged him to verify the medication for syringes that were properly labeled. He refused, based on a strict interpretation of the Penal Code. Apparently he did not read the preamble found in all penal codes. If you can get a Writ of Prohibition, it'll give me a breather from a few special peace officers who have used our system to suit their personal whim, which I'm sure is motivated by their early religious training -- a training that teaches the strong, the odious rich and the wealthy, as opposed to the weak, poor, and honest. Sparse, bare self-sacrifice, self-denial are all descriptions of unreal culture that propagates lies that may be evidenced in our daily lives; i.e., the Secret Service agent who received a medal for risking his life at President Kennedy's assassination site -- received the medal, I assume, for the following deeds: He pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into the car and covered her body with his own -- therefore risking his life to aid the President and save the First Lady's life. _Time_ Magazine showed the very same pictures, but the captions told the typical, self-sacrificing bullshitting story. The picture of her saving her ass scrambling out of the convertible is captioned, in substance, "The President's wife going to get help for her injured husband," and perhaps I could not form a conclusion that this was an untruth if it were not for the compounding of that lie in the next caption that showed the peace officer pushing her back into the car, and that one said she was helping him aboard. In a culture where their standard is based on lies and truths, their standard is that lies are bad. They lied. The villainous part of the lie is that when other husbands are shot and wives flee so their faces will not be blown away, they will feel guilt that they are not the wife that the President's wife was. How this relates to the early religious training that rejects medicine, is: If you're a man, you need no "crutch" -- your cortisones, your Bisimith and McFarsen's, your plastic surgery. . . If the Lord wanted you to have a straight back and eyes and nose, He would have born you that way; and it's the work of the devil to put chimanzee kidneys into the stomach of Man and take eyes from the dead. Coffee, tea, milk, pillow, blankets, martinis, and sweets and scented soaps and all those "crutches" relate to pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure are Satan's tools. What right has man to pleasure? A real man sleeps in the woods and wipes his ass with Saran Wrap, and good women douche with lye. And thus that Moffit Field incident where soldiers were kneeling over with spinal meningitis. Sulfa drugs, that had heretofore been considered the panacea by those afflicted and those who cured the afflicted, had failed. Was prayer the answer? I think not. For they found they had been spitting the pills out, and I've been given to understand this is quite a common problem with doctors who receive answers from those persons who spit the pills out, that they "won't fill their bodies full of those poisons, those dangerous drugs." And those mood elevators -- if you have any needs at all, you syphilitc weakling, get on your knees, Brother. The religious person who would be repulsed at reading this, I suggest you get on your knees for your un-Christlike attitude towards one who knows: "Forgive him for he knows . . ." I can earn a living and I promise I'll give you the first dollar from every two earned, the money I owe you for Nashville, Tennessee and this request for a Federal Writ of Prohibition to keep those brothers clothed in love from killing me in the interest of Justice. Another arrest, a secret indictment, is coming February 25. Someone told me. I don't know for what, but the next arrest finds me with no bail, no counsel and, at this writing, I have no money for attorneys. And I resist charity. This resistance, I am aware, is because of a behemoth ego, the cause of all my problems. Very truly yours, Lenny Bruce _The Almost Unpublished Lenny Bruce: from the Private Collection of Kitty Bruce_; ISBN 089471-259-4 ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Lyrics to "Please Don't Pass Me By" From: email@example.com Date: 27 Nov 1996 16:00:00 GMT I believe they should be on http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/cpage/Leonard_Cohen/lyrics/ (But here they are:) Please Don't Pass Me By (A Disgrace) I was walking in New York City and I brushed up against the man in front of me. I felt a cardboard placard on his back. And when we passed a streetlight, I could read it, it said "Please don't pass me by - I am blind, but you can see - I've been blinded totally - Please don't pass me by." I was walking along 7th Avenue, when I came to 14th Street I saw on the corner curious mutilations of the human form; it was a school for handicapped people. And there were cripples, and people in wheelchairs and crutches and it was snowing, and I got this sense that the whole city was singing this: Oh please don't pass me by, oh please don't pass me by, for I am blind, but you can see, yes, I've been blinded totally, oh please don't pass me by. And you know as I was walking I thought it was them who were singing it, I thought it was they who were singing it, I thought it was the other who was singing it, I thought it was someone else. But as I moved along I knew it was me, and that I was singing it to myself. It went: Please don't pass me by, oh please don't pass me by, for I am blind, but you can see, well, I've been blinded totally, oh please don't pass me by. Oh please don't pass me by. Now I know that you're sitting there deep in your velvet seats and you're thinking "Uh, he's up there saying something that he thinks about, but I'll never have to sing that song." But I promise you friends, that you're going to be singing this song: it may not be tonight, it may not be tomorrow, but one day you'll be on your knees and I want you to know the words when the time comes. Because you're going to have to sing it to yourself, or to another, or to your brother. You're going to have to learn to sing this song, it goes: Please don't pass me by, ah you don't have to sing this .. not for you. Please don't pass me by, for I am blind, but you can see, yes, I've been blinded totally, oh please don't pass me by. Well I sing this for the Jews and the Gypsies and the smoke that they made. And I sing this for the children of England, their faces so grave. And I sing this for a saviour with no one to save. Hey, won't you be naked for me? Hey, won't you be naked for me? It goes: Please don't pass me by, oh please don't pass me by, for I am blind, but you can see, yes, I've been blinded totally, oh now, please don't pass me by. Now there's nothing that I tell you that will help you connect the blood tortured night with the day that comes next. But I want it to hurt you, I want it to end. Oh, won't you be naked for me? Oh now: Please don't pass me by, oh please don't pass me by, for I am blind, but you can see, but I've been blinded totally, oh, please don't pass me by. Well I sing this song for you Blonde Beasts, I sing this song for you Venuses upon your shells on the foam of the sea. And I sing this for the freaks and the cripples, and the hunchback, and the burned, and the burning, and the maimed, and the broken, and the torn, and all of those that you talk about at the coffee tables, at the meetings, and the demonstrations, on the streets, in your music, in my songs. I mean the real ones that are burning, I mean the real ones that are burning I say, please don't pass me by, oh now, please don't pass me by, for I am blind, yeah but you can see, ah now, I've been blinded totally, oh no, please don't pass me by. I know that you still think that its me. I know that you think that there's somebody else. I know that these words aren't yours. But I tell you friends that one day You're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down on your knees, you're going to get down .. Oh, please don't pass me by, oh, please don't pass me by, for I am blind, yeah but you can see, yes, I've been blinded totally, oh, please don't pass me by. Well you know I have my songs and I have my poems. I have my book and I have the army, and sometimes I have your applause. I make some money, but you know what my friends, I'm still out there on the corner. I'm with the freaks, I'm with the hunted, I'm with the maimed, yes I'm with the torn, I'm with the down, I'm with the poor. Come on now ... Ah, please don't pass me by, well I've got to go now friends, but, please don't pass me by, for I am blind, yeah but you can see, oh, I've been blinded, I've been blinded totally, oh now, please don't pass me by. Now I want to take away my dignity, yes take my dignity. My friends, take my dignity, take my form, take my style, take my honour, take my courage, take my time, take my time, .. time .. 'Cause you know I'm with you singing this song. And I wish you would, I wish you would, I wish you would go home with someone else. Wish you'd go home with someone else. I wish you'd go home with someone else. Don't be the person that you came with. Oh, don't be the person that you came with, Oh don't be the person that you came with. Ah, I'm not going to be. I can't stand him. I can't stand who I am. That's why I've got to get down on my knees. Because I can't make it by myself. I'm not by myself anymore because the man I was before he was a tyrant, he was a slave, he was in chains, he was broken and then he sang: Oh, please don't pass me by, oh, please don't pass me by, for I am blind, yes I am blind, Oh but you can see, yes, I've been blinded totally, oh, please don't pass me by. Well I hope I see you out there on the corner. Yeah I hope as I go by that I hear you whisper with the breeze. Because I'm going to leave you now, I'm going to find me someone new. Find someone knew. And please don't pass me by. ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Reflections on Isis From: Lennart Frimodig Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:43:58 +0200Friday evening. Tired as a half-dead horse. Trying to make a living as a small-time entrepreneur is an constant invitation to anxiety. At least in Sweden. Preparing for the weekend with gloegg (a strong wine with spice), something we swedes like to drink before christmas. (Almost like lutfisk, but better for the nerves.) And listening to Isis from Desire. For one hour, two hours or three. If you have a CD-player with remote control it=B4s easy. Dylan is a friend. A story-teller. Or perhaps a painter of images that don=B4t really connect. He is someone you can listen to and make your blues go away. A lot of fun, and lines that make you want to cry. The violin and the harmonica are in the class of the guitarist Duane Allman on "Loan me a dime" or Allman/Clapton on "Layla". Lines like: "... the snow was outrageous." "I still can=B4t remember all the best things she said." And to hear Dylan sing: "She said, "Where ya been?" I said, "No place special." She said, "You look different." I said, "Well, I guess." She said, "You been gone." I said, "That=B4s only natural." She said, "You gonna stay?" I said, "If ya want me to, yes" really shows him to be a great singer and rock artist. You have to listen to him sing to get the real experience! Reading poetry can=B4t match this! Lennart Frimodig Uppsala Sweden ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: The Future (Natural Born Killers) From: firstname.lastname@example.org (SA Rasche) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:01:26 -0600 In article <32AF5305.4A5@audiophile.com>, Dave M Miller wrote: > I like this song too, but don't know the lyrics, and my CD was 2nd Hand > and w/o Book, so could someone pleas post them here? > > Dave No problem - The lyrics can be found at the end of this message... What did the people that saw the film "Natural Born Killers" think of the major part that Leonard played (via music) in the movie? I know many people didn't like the movie - but that's another aspect. It opens with "Waiting for the Miracle" and ends with "The Future" - plus "Democracy" was thrown in there during their breakout of the prison. It was great hearing his voice in the theater sound - plus with all of the images (thanks to Stone) made it worth it to see the movie a few times. Anyway - here are the lyrics to "The Future" Give me back my broken night my secret room, my secret life it's lonely here, there's no one left to torture Give me absolute control over every living soul And lie beside me, baby, that's an order! Give me crack and anal sex Take the only tree that's left and stuff it up the hole in your culture Give me back the Berlin wall give me Stalin and St. Paul I've seen the future, brotherL it is murder. Things are going to slide in all directions Won't be nothing Nothing you can measure anymore The blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it has overturned the order of the soul When they said REPENT I wonder what they meant When they said REPENT I wonder what they meant When they said REPENET I wonder what they menat You don't know me from the wind you never will, you never did I'm the little jew who wrote the bible I've seen the nations rise and fall I've heard their stories, heard them all but love's the only engine of survival Your servent here, he has been told to say it clear, to say it cold: It's over, it ain't going any further And now the wheels of heaven stop you feel the devil's riding crop Get ready for the future: it is murder. Things are going to slide in all directions.... They'll be a breaking of the ancient western code Your private life will suddenly explode They'll be phantoms they'll be fires on the road and the white man dancing You'll see the woman hanging upside down her features covered by her fallen gown and all the lousy little poets coming round trying to sound like Charlie Manson. Give me back the Berlin Wall give me Stalin and St. Paul Give me Christ or give me Hiroshima Destory another fetus now We don't like children anyhow I've seen the future, baby: it is murder. Things are going to slide in all directions.... ======== Newsgroups: sci.space.history Subject: Re: TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT From: email@example.com ( om) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:49:01 GMT On 27 Dec 1996 18:11:16 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Ralph Silverman) wrote: >From nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us!news.gate.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!myriad!mail Fri Dec 27 12:09:39 1996 >Path: nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us!news.gate.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!myriad!mail >From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) >Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo >Subject: TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT >Date: 20 Dec 1996 11:49:56 -0500 >Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited >Lines: 166 >Message-ID: <199612200207.DAA03079@basement.replay.com> >To: email@example.com >X-URL: http://www.replay.com/remailer/ >X-001: Replay may or may not approve of the content of this posting >X-002: Report misuse of this automated service to "Gee ma! Lookit the phony headers!! Guess we can't e-mailbomb his ISP now, huh?" >-------------------------------------------------------- > >TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT "Or: How to make a plane crash with Kraft's special blend of cream cheese!" >-------------------------------------------------------- > >The real reason TWA Flight 800 was destroyed "Once upon a time..." >Pierre Salinger, respected journalist and former press secretary for the >Kennedy Administration, was convinced to go public with a document posted >on the Internet by a person "inside the Government" who has high level >connections to the TWA Flight 800 investigation. The Document in question >described the release of a missile from a Navy ship with an Ageis Missile >system in a Navy exercise area off the coast of New York's Long Island in >an area known as Warning area -105 "Dear TWA: We tol' u 2 stay outta r turf. Now u pay de price. Next time, we go affa u in de crib. Sincerely, The Long Island Crips, 105th street chapter. PS: Tell u homies at American dey be next!" >I have information regarding the real information hidden within the >document. I cannot reveal my idenitity for fear of endangering my life. "Hi, my name is Brian Zeller, and I've got this UFO to sell you..." >Several witnesses on the night of the explosion, including the pilot of a >New York Air National Guard plane, reported the sighting of "an orange >streak of light" descending toward Flight 800. Some have speculated this >to be a missile, others a meteor and some conspiracy people have suggested >a UFO. None of the above of the true. The truth of this matter will be >so startling that you will not believe it at first reading but you will >eventually have to accept it as fact. "Goddammit, Clark! I told you to wear your glasses when you go out on patrol! Look at what you hit -this- time!!" >The "streak of light" was an electro-magnetic-temporal ribbon that sliced >through the atmosphere on the night of July 17th, 1996. This ribbon was >created as a result of the conjunction of several top-secret government >scientific experiments involving Einstein's Unified Field Theory (UFT) and >the effects of high electro-magnetic frequency waves on portions of the >atmosphere to warp into existence a rift in the space-time continuum . "Oh, tie a temporal ribbon 'round the old oak tree..." >At 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, two large antenna arrays, the first one >in the state of Alaska known as the High-frequency Active Auroral Research >Project (H.A.A.R.P) and the second in Norway known as European Incoherent >Scatter Radar site (EISCAT), were activated to study the creation of >temporal anomalies in the Earths atmosphere by altering the magnetosphere >of the Earth in a way to cause such intense fields of magnetic compression >within an area to warp a rift into the space-time continuum. The purpose >of the project was to create this rift to study Einsteins Unified Field >Theory. Several sites across the Earth were selected for the creation of >the rift in areas away from civilian centers and airline traffic. ....Methinks this boy is HAARPing a bit too loudly to be believed :-) >The target area was to be over the center of the Atlantic Ocean and was to >be studied by top-secret Military Atmospheric Information Satellites >(MAIS). Several other attempts at this experiment failed due to >miscalculations within the internal sub-processors of at least three Cray >3 super computers stored at the H.A.A.R.P. site. Once the sub-processors >within the Cray-3's were replaced and several maintainence and calibration >checks were performed, the system was at full operation on the night of >July 17th, 1996. The facilities of H.A.A.R.P in Alaska and EISCAT in >Norway were simuletanously put into operation. "Hey, what did you replace that Cray-3 with?" "Well, I had this spare Commodore 64 on the shelf, and it was all I had on short notice." "Oh. Ok, shouldn't be any problem. Go ahead and fire'er up!" >Once the experiment was started the rift was created, it was only visible >to the MAIS satellies and the American and Europeans Governments >scientific personell stationed at H.A.A.R.P. and EISCAT. This experiment >was a sucess until TWA Flight 800 intersected with an invisible "temporal >axis" left permanently in place by two previous experiments by the U.S. >Government to study Einsteins Unified Field Theory. If a line were drawn >across the Earth to connect these two sites of previous experiments, one >end of the line would end in Philadelphia Harbor in Philadelphia >Pennsylvania and the other in Montauk, Long Island. "Dear, there's a wing tip of a big airplane sticking out of the Beaver's window!" "I'll talk to him, dear." >Philadelphia Harbor was the location of an Unified Field Theory experiment >on August 15th, 1943, known as the "Philadelphia Experiment". A Navy >Destroyer Escort known as the U.S.S. Eldrige (DE 173) was outfitted with >large electromagnetic Tesla coils for an experiment involving "radar >invisibility". The first test of the ship was a success but a second >test on that fateful day would prove fatal to many crew members who would >man the ship. According to classified ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) >files, the U.S.S. Eldrige underwent a dramatic change once the experiment >was under way. The ship, was surrounded by a green haze of >electromagnetic energy and the Eldrige vanished in splaying light into the >space-time continuum. "Bigboot! Where's my commercial jet airliner?!?!" "It's not -your- planet any more, monkey boy!" >Echoes of the Eldrige were scattered all over the space time continuum >both in the past and the future in the proximity of both high >electromagnetic fields and temporal distortion fields. One echo appeared >in the previous port of the Eldrige, Norfolk, Virginia. The ship >re-appeared in Philadelphia with several crew members burned, some phased >and combined with the super-structure of the ship and others who vanished >or were able to walk through walls and one man apparently traveled through >time to the year 1984 as you will see later. "Gee ma, didn't anyone ever tell that guy 'It's only a movie'???" >Several more echoes of the Eldrige have appeared since 1943 and would be >significant in the events that followed later. "No, really Mr. President! The Viet Cong have a destroyer! And it fired on us!! Can we nuke them now?" >A second experiment to study Einsteins Unified Field Theory took place in >Montauk, Long Island in the summer of 1984. This experiment was mean to >be an improvement on the original Philadelphia Experiment. This project >would also have dire consequences that would endanger the Earth itself. >The experiment was activated and in hyper-dimensonal space, which as no >time what-so-ever, the effect of the Montauk Project intersected with the >effects of the Philadelphia Experiment. A vortex was opened up between >the years 1943 and 1984. "Wow! Now we can go back in time and -really- stretch our week's pay!" >An echo of the U.S.S. Eldrige appeared and vanished. One of the sailors >from the Eldrige was stranded in the year 1984 at Montauk. According to >scientists working on the Montauk Project, the vortex between Montauk and >Philadelphia was staying open because it was still being controlled by the >generators powering the electro-magnetic coils on the Eldrige in 1943. >If the vortex had stayed open, the 1984 Earth would have been pulled into >hyperdimensonal space and destroyed as it passed through the vortex and >collided with the 1943 Earth. The sailor from the Eldrige was convinced >to go back through the vortex to the U.S.S. Eldrige in 1943 and shut down >the generators. He went back and destroyed several vacuum tube arrays >for the circuity running the 1943 experiment. He then vanished, never to >be seen again. ....He was actually shunted to another universe, where he fought in streets of fire to save the life of a rock & roll singer who was married to a geek. Which fate was worse, you decide. >Although the vortex was closed between Philadelphia 1943 and Montauk 1984, >a permenant "temporal axis" was left between the two sites, stretching >from Philadelphia, across New Jersey and across the Atlantic Ocean, just >ten miles south of Long Island until it reached Montauk. Now we get to >July 17th, 1996. ....After having made a left turn at Alberquerque first, natch. >As TWA Flight 800 was rising to 13,000 feet, it was also intersecting with >this "temporal axis". At the moment TWA Flight 800 intersected, the >trasponder was continously sending a signal to JFK International Tower, >giving it's location on the Air Traffic Control Screens. This signal was >at the exact same harmonic frequency as the temporal distortion caused by >H.A.A.R.P. and EISCAT over the Atlantic. The temporal distortion became >naturally attracted to the harmonic signal eminating from the TWA's >transponder and "quantum leaped" from it's original site to cross the >"temporal axis" at a 90 degree angle, at the exact point in which TWA >Flight 800 intersected with it. "Dammit, Oliver! How many times have I told you -not- to hack into government installations? There's no telling what you set off this time!!! You're grounded for a week, young man!" >An orange streak of light became visible as the temporal distortion >appeared from it's quantum leap and then shortened it's length down to the >plane from both directions. The rift tore through the plane, destroying >the transponder and causing a massive explosion of molten metal that >punctured the center fuel tank. This is why some witnesses say the streak >of light came from above (the meteor theory) or it rose from below (the >missile theory) and why there has been no evidence of a bomb, missile or >mechanical failure. The first "booming" sound heard by witnesses was the >temporal rift destroying the center fuel tank and the second sound was the >wing tanks beginning to explode. "Opie, I thought Barney and I told you kids that you couldn't shoot off those fireworks off-season!" "Gee Paw, those weren't fireworks!" "They wasn't? Then what was they?" "It was a Centuri Aerobee kit! Goober helped me build it, and Gomer put on those extra Estes "D" solids so it'd go REALLY high!" >The destruction of the center fuel tank caused the chain reaction >explosion through out the fuel tanks in the wings while the plane >plummeted to the Atlantic, killing all 230 people on board. At the exact >same moment of the destruction of Flight 800, an echo of the U.S.S. >Eldrige appeared on the Atlantic, 13,000 feet directly underneath the >plane. The Eldrige appearance explains why there were reports of a ship >in the area near Flight 800 and then discounted by the Government as >conjecture by the media. ....Nonono! You're forgetting something important here. The temporal ribbon also deposited both Ricky Nelson and the members of Lynrd Skynard on board, where they freebased the plan into exploding. Yeah, that's the ticket! And Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, The Big Bopper, Jim Croce were all aboard too. >here have been periodic after effects of this juncture with the most >recent reappearance of the rift appearing near a Pakistani airliner on >November 16th, 1996 while it followed the same path as Flight 800. The >transponder of the Pakistani Airliner temporarily reactivated the temporal >rift. ....Oh, and we can't forget that there was a second switchman at the HAARP controls. Right over there on the grassy knoll. >The rift was activated again by a Canadian Airlines 747 on December 13th, 1996. ....Darn those Canadians! Can't they do anything _original_??? >The current news stories are telling us that there was a spark near an air >conditioning unit (what the hell does air conditioning have to do with the >center fuel tank anyways?) that set off the explosion, what's not being >told is the "spark" the authories are not telling us about is the rupture >in the space time continuum. ....Personally? Just between you, me and the rest of the group, pal? I don't thing it's the "space time continuum" that's ruptured here. >This is the true story that needs to be told and the doors must be opened >on the secrecy surrounding top secret Unified Field Theory projects before >more deaths are caused. ....Actually, what needs to be done is for the HAARP folks to fire up their little "weapon" and see if they can zero in on -your- location. If they don't hit you, then it's not a weapon, and you owe everyone an apology. If it does hit you and cause you to evaporate like dry ice, then we'll reconsider what you've said. >Let the truth be known. ....Yeah, like who your ISP is so we can fire off lots of hate mail to your admin. OM --------------------- OMnicom Has Moved! --------------------- Note the NEW URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4061/OMnicom.html ------------------------------------ "Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects," - (c) 1996, Judges Dolores K. Sloviter, Ronald L. Buckwalter and Stewart Dalzell ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish Subject: "Letter from the Messiah..1 of 2" From: relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM> Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:06:48 GMT To my friends in rock music and elsewhere, and to my enemies: As the information most of you have been given the past seven years is incorrect, this document will serve as my true testament. To my enemies: The one thing you did well was to elaborate on the significance of abandoning your Savior to a life and death in isolation. Unfortunately for you, I had already made the decision to see women before I found out that half of you were offering a "sacrifice" to support it. When you brought down the Berlin Wall to symbolize your victory, I was laughing. Because of your crimes, God and I have forsaken the Earth. Under no circumstance will we take action to help anyone while they live on the planet. This letter also serves as the human race's notice of eviction from my planet. Every minute you remain is a crime against God(waived for my friends for now). God and I are also unconcerned with how you treat each other. However, all crimes committed against my friends, children, and the ecology of the planet will be punished with extreme prejudice. It shouldn't be more than several hundred years before I am in a position to do it. -- ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: "Letter from the Messiah..1 of 2" From: "Joe Olnick" Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:16:30 GMTWow! I had no idea He was on CompuServe. How do they bill Him? Joe relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM> wrote in article > > Because of your crimes, God and I have forsaken the Earth. ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.rem,soc.culture.jewish Subject: "letter part 2" From: relay to Lord <71573.631@CompuServe.COM> Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:09:29 GMT You've been warned that the severity of the crimes you are committing far surpasses that of any crime previously committed. Whether you believe there is life after death is irrelevant. You have lost me forever. God is repeatedly giving you His supreme command to release me. Every minute you keep me here, you cross a line never before crossed with Him. I expect to be freed to live the life I want. Since I've spread this letter all over the internet, we can assume that whoever is threatening to do whatever if they find out about my girlfriends now knows. You only prove one thing by keeping me here. If I am not released, I will do everything I can to inform the general population of the Earth of my presence. You may think your stranglehold on my friends and the media is impenetrable, but you also thought you were committing the perfect crime. As I'm sure you're aware, this letter completes, in only thirty years, the destruction of a scheme you claimed would carry you for eternity. If I am not released, I will begin by following this letter with a detailed explanation of the music. To my friends: You've done a great job of hanging on. Sorry about the roller coaster ride, but it looks as though the drinks are, once again, on me. Lord :) -- ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Desolation Row Word Search Puzzle From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Joseph Cliburn) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 20:39:16 GMT See how many of the "cast" of Desolation Row (listed below) you can find in this word search puzzle. Then wonder if you really DO need to get a life. "Desolation Row" C A L Y P S O S I N G E R S T A S A L L E R E D N I C K I R I U G R K I N X T A S B G V I N P S E N N E L R E V H O A O A E L S O S R E E C T E O D T N R R O M T O S N R C Z D Y S D H I L S E S S O O A R S T Q A U G L U I N P I B S A A T U B M Y A O N E A S I S P M E A E A N C L W P T S N A O A B D L N N O A S T I I H N U R R N A C I L E I U E M O O N I O P D R K H J D N N M O V D T M E Y E S B P X E T O D A K A E M R W A G E N T S C C X Z N O U AGENTS BETTYDAVIS CAINANDABEL CALYPSOSINGERS CASSANOVA CINDERELLA COMMISSIONER EINSTEIN EZRAPOUND GOODSAMARITAN JEALOUSMONK LADY LOCALLOSER NEROSNEPTUNE RIOTSQUAD ROBINHOOD ROMEO SEXLESSPATIENTS SKINNYGIRLS SUPERHUMANCREW TIGHTROPEWALKER Enjoy! Joe -- Joe Cliburn email@example.com http://www.win.net/~flintcreek/ "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray." - Dylan ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: lenny bruce's genius: a skeleton key (revisited) From: firstname.lastname@example.org (trolls-R-us) Date: 8 Jan 1997 02:14:02 -0700 8825 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, California February 1, 1964 Mr. John Brogan Attorney at Law 145 State Street Springfield, Massachusetts Dear John: I'm out of money, the tax is late on my house, and the Detroit Board of censors is telling the owner I can't come in on the March 1st date. . . They keep arresting me for being sick and taking medicine -- a non-narcotic, Methedrine. When I was in San Francisco, I had a siege of narcolepsy and I called the hotel doctor and was refused. He told me he didn't want to get involved. This has happened in several cities. In Miami, I was arrested for possession of insulin needles used for the administration of Methedrine. Dr. Trop had to come to court, and for the third time I was forced to hire counsel to defend myself and received unfavorable press nationwide. At the time of the arrest, the policeman was two blocks from the doctor's office, and the doctor was in. I begged him to verify the medication for syringes that were properly labeled. He refused, based on a strict interpretation of the Penal Code. Apparently he did not read the preamble found in all penal codes. If you can get a Writ of Prohibition, it'll give me a breather from a few special peace officers who have used our system to suit their personal whim, which I'm sure is motivated by their early religious training -- a training that teaches the strong, the odious rich and the wealthy, as opposed to the weak, poor, and honest. Sparse, bare self-sacrifice, self-denial are all descriptions of unreal culture that propagates lies that may be evidenced in our daily lives; i.e., the Secret Service agent who received a medal for risking his life at President Kennedy's assassination site -- received the medal, I assume, for the following deeds: He pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into the car and covered her body with his own -- therefore risking his life to aid the President and save the First Lady's life. _Time_ Magazine showed the very same pictures, but the captions told the typical, self-sacrificing bullshitting story. The picture of her saving her ass scrambling out of the convertible is captioned, in substance, "The President's wife going to get help for her injured husband," and perhaps I could not form a conclusion that this was an untruth if it were not for the compounding of that lie in the next caption that showed the peace officer pushing her back into the car, and that one said she was helping him aboard. In a culture where their standard is based on lies and truths, their standard is that lies are bad. They lied. The villainous part of the lie is that when other husbands are shot and wives flee so their faces will not be blown away, they will feel guilt that they are not the wife that the President's wife was. How this relates to the early religious training that rejects medicine, is: If you're a man, you need no "crutch" -- your cortisones, your Bisimith and McFarsen's, your plastic surgery. . . If the Lord wanted you to have a straight back and eyes and nose, He would have born you that way; and it's the work of the devil to put chimanzee kidneys into the stomach of Man and take eyes from the dead. Coffee, tea, milk, pillow, blankets, martinis, and sweets and scented soaps and all those "crutches" relate to pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure are Satan's tools. What right has man to pleasure? A real man sleeps in the woods and wipes his ass with Saran Wrap, and good women douche with lye. And thus that Moffit Field incident where soldiers were kneeling over with spinal meningitis. Sulfa drugs, that had heretofore been considered the panacea by those afflicted and those who cured the afflicted, had failed. Was prayer the answer? I think not. For they found they had been spitting the pills out, and I've been given to understand this is quite a common problem with doctors who receive answers from those persons who spit the pills out, that they "won't fill their bodies full of those poisons, those dangerous drugs." And those mood elevators -- if you have any needs at all, you syphilitc weakling, get on your knees, Brother. The religious person who would be repulsed at reading this, I suggest you get on your knees for your un-Christlike attitude towards one who knows: "Forgive him for he knows . . ." I can earn a living and I promise I'll give you the first dollar from every two earned, the money I owe you for Nashville, Tennessee and this request for a Federal Writ of Prohibition to keep those brothers clothed in love from killing me in the interest of Justice. Another arrest, a secret indictment, is coming February 25. Someone told me. I don't know for what, but the next arrest finds me with no bail, no counsel and, at this writing, I have no money for attorneys. And I resist charity. This resistance, I am aware, is because of a behemoth ego, the cause of all my problems. Very truly yours, Lenny Bruce _The Almost Unpublished Lenny Bruce: from the Private Collection of Kitty Bruce_; ISBN 089471-259-4 ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: for them that defend what they cannot see From: "uncc.campus.mci.net" Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:55:00 -0500(snip) > 0 > 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 > 0 > 1 > [frmlay] > 1440 > 12240 > 1 > 1440 > 1 (snip) As disappointing as it was to get a post like the above, it was a million times more interesting than the biblical interpretations floating around here. Rather than criticize, however, I think I'll join them: Shut the light (How God created darkness) Shut the shade (How God created shade) You don't have to be afraid (referring to the fear of Adam and Eve when they were sent from the Garden) I'll be your baby tonight (An obvious reference to the baby Jesus in the manger) Well that mockingbird is gonna sail away (note the contrast with Noah's dove) We're gonna let it (See Leviticus 3:14) That big fat moon is gonna shine like a spoon (God gave us the heavens as well as silverware) We're gonna let it (How we have no control over God's will) You won't regret it (contrast with Moses looking into the Land of Milk and Honey) Kick your shoes off (The serpent did not need shoes when he was made to slither on the ground) Do not fear (See Adam and Eve reference above) Bring that bottle over here (obvious tribute to his Jewish roots with sipping wine on Shabbat) I'll be your baby tonight (Could be Jesus or the baby Moses in the reeds, depending on whether you believe Dylan is a Jew, a Christian, or both at once.) No disrespect intended, of course. Jeff Passe ======== Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: vibrations? From: email@example.com (dredd) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:21:14 GMT :>On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:11:57 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Diane or Roger) wrote: :>>suddenly started feeling as though I was spinning real fast and my :>>heart was pounding SO hard and fast. I never felt my heart beat like :>>that. Is that supposed to happen, or was I just excited from the :>>other feelings? I felt like I was in a cup that was spinning around :>>very fast. I experience the same thing when I try to go OB. Usually when I start to balance my chakras I first get a tingling sensation then that leads to a numbness and a feeling like my arms are sinking into my bed. Then I start to feel out of sink with my body, as if I'm laying on my side with my arms behind my head (when I'm really laying flat with my arms at my sides) And finally I start this strange spinning sensation which is almost impossible to describe. Then my heart starts to beat faster than it should for someone who is layiong in bed relaxing. I try to float up or to mentally encourage vibrations, but so far I've been unsucessful. I've read about 20 excellent books on the subject, and it seems that everyones experiences are very different. Some people seem to get vibrations, some feel a rocking of some sort, some say they don't get any of that and just find themself 'outside' spontaniously. I think you are definatly close to projection when you get those spinning sensations. I know I leave my body in my sleep but I am still at the present moment unable to conciously leave my body while I'm awake. Try, Try again Has anybody gone through the same thing and figured out how to get to the next step from the 'rocking'? ======== Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: vibrations? From: email@example.com(Bart Scott) Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:08:20 GMT In <5blhgl$1ch@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> nvo2@Bayou.UH.EDU (Nhut Q Vo) writes: > >dredd (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: >: :>On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:11:57 GMT, email@example.com (Diane or Roger) wrote: >: I've read about 20 excellent books on the subject, and it seems that >: everyones experiences are very different. I agree. There could be several reasons for the experiences being different. Most likely technique. I think it has a lot to do with how the person is trying to 'exit' (or whatever you want to call it - to me, it's not out-of-body, it's a different level of consciousness). Depending on where the attention is and what is being paid attention to will result in different portions of the nervous system relaying different information to the consciousness for the experience. > >: Has anybody gone through the same thing and figured out how to get >to the next step from the 'rocking'? That rocking sensation is really nice. Back and forth, back and forth. Like in a rowboat. So gentle. Usually it just feels like your body swaying, but if you pay attention to it and gently release yourself to it, your entire being seems to join in the pleasant swaying. Just allow the swaying to continue and eventually you should slide through to the next level. Even if you don't, it's very restfull. It seems to me that the real key to this is release and surrender. Releasing the grip you have on your body. Surrendering your control. Trusting that everything will be okay. I don't mean to sound crude, but if you can remember your first orgasm, it's similar to that in some respects. A total release. An "I just don't care anymore" attitude, "Now let's see what happens next." Letting go... Bart ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Biblical influence on Dylan From: Mark Moore Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:56:28 -0500On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, -jh wrote: > >Kees de Graaf writes: > > >>Paul Williams quite rightly said that 'the words and images from the Bible > >>play the same role in most of Dylan's songs that all words and images play > >>in his writing: they have a musical or auditory/visual or 'dream' logic, they > >>sound right to the artist, they contain the smell of rhythm of truth and at > >>best are a good representation of the mood and inspiration in which the > >>original composition took place'. > > Every time one of these critic's quotes is thrust forward as if having some > authority, I am reminded why I never read critics. Some are better writers > that others, but all seem to be stuck with this high school notion of artistic > creation as a trance-like dream, beyond rational processes. Yet, there is > discipline to creating work worthy to be written about. It has nothing to do > with a "smell of rhythm of truth." Does anyone suppose this is the reason > "the answer is blowin' in the wind?" Can truth or an answer only be found > one fleeting whiff at a time? Does dream logic really tell the truth? Really? > > This quotation from Williams basically says Dylan merely uses the Bible > for dramatic/poetic effects under the jurisdiction of "poetic license" & I say > this assertion accuses Dylan of crass disrespect for the Scripture, while > also implying he does not have enough Biblical comprehension to place > a meaningful message or fundamental concept within the lines of song. > At the very least, a lack of inclination is assumed in Dylan. Nonsense. -jh As I have written several times to this newsgroup expressing thoughts very similar to the above but met only with hostility and criticism, I thought I would lend my support to what Mr. Vangrod is saying here. Although the creative process differs among individual writers, musicians and painters, Dylan's body of work expresses a conscious understanding of life with a clarity that few other artists can match. Many writers and artists are very confused people who have great difficulty finding any meaning in life, and their creative work mirrors their own confusion within. I would say that Dylan's work is more analogous to Rembrandt, for instance, than Picasso or Jackson Pollock, not in style, but in focus of vision. Once in a while, a great genius comes along with clarity of insight into the meaning of life's mysteries or at least the mysteries of the circumstances of the times. Examples would be Shakespeare, Donne, Blake, Eliot, Joyce, Tolkien, Kierkegaard, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, among others. These writers have had such a deep understanding of the transcendent meaning of life experience that, in order to express it, they sometimes have had to break through the barriers of ordinary language into a language of the heart that the Bible calls "speaking in tongues." The result seems to be confused gobbledy-gook to those who do not have "ears to hear" or the gift of spiritual interpretation. But behind the personal style of expression is an understanding, a vision, that can only be called extraordinary. Dylan is a man of great genius, vision and understanding. Great artistic geniuses incorporate all of life experience into their work. For this reason, their work can be enjoyed by many different people with many different views of life on many different levels. That does not mean that the artist does not himself have a coherent vision that ties all those levels of meaning together. Dylan has a profound understanding of the Bible. It is very apparent to any Christian who actually knows the Bible. Biblical references and allusions abound throughout his entire body of work. Without an understanding of the Bible, one cannot fully comprehend Dylan's work. On the other hand, the Bible solely by itself will not unlock all the levels of meaning interwoven, whether consciously or unconsciously, throughout all of his creative work. Dylan is not simply a preacher or a Bible teacher or even a prophet, but one of the most profound Christian artists in the world. This is the reason most evangelical Christians reject him because he doesn't simply regurgitate the Bible like the preachers in artists' clothing in the so-called Christian music industry who sing songs for the the evangelical churchgoers. Dylan expresses his own unique insights gained through life experience in the world, and they are bound to conflict with the systems of biblical interpretation developed by dogmatic church authorities because he is usually miles above them. But the Bible always colors Dylan's perception and expression of life experience, sometimes softly, sometimes glaringly. He can't help but express what the Bible says because the Bible expresses the universal Truth. But the Bible is not his sole obsession. He draws from the entire vista of human experience, but especially contemporary culture. He is concerned with uncovering the answers to the same complex questions about the meaning and purpose of existence that have motivated all great thinkers and artists. Without belief in the revelatory Truth of God found in the Bible, that quest is doomed to failure, and the truly great artists and thinkers have all been aware of this. The problem all Christian thinkers have to face, however, is that the truths expressed in the Bible are not immediately apparent and an incredible number of erroneous views and interpretations of the Bible are circulating in people's minds. So the first task needs to be to discover what the Bible actually says, and this requires an independent mind, a humbleness in the presence of God and a heart filled with faith. The process can be clearly seen in the life of Leo Tolstoy, and his case teaches that even the greatest minds cannot truly understand the revelations of God without deep, unreserved faith. Dylan's artistry and genius (just as that of the writers mentioned above) cannot be fully appreciated by either those who harbor antipathy toward Christianity or by dogmatic Christians who cannot appreciate art unless it reflects their own narrow point of view. The purpose of a Christian artist is different from the purpose of a Bible teacher, just as the purpose of art is different from the purpose of the Bible. The failure to understand this leads many Christians and non-Christians alike to misinterpret the work of Christian artists who do not attempt to propagandize and/or proselytize through their art. The greatest writers and artists of Western civilization have been Christians, mostly, who expressed transcendental truths concerning mankind's experience. Yet, their contributions throughout the centuries have been neglected by almost everyone as if no longer relevant to the superior knowledge that we think we have gained through our own limited experiences. Great art, Christian art, links the past with the present (and sometimes the future), the secular with the profane, the temporal with the eternal through deep, spiritual understanding and awareness. This awareness does not come to the artist or thinker instantly. It is a lifelong, unfolding process that comes through experience that builds upon experience, observation and deep reflection, rigorous study and the desire for the love of God that is rewarded by the blessings of God who favors those who honestly seek to serve and know Him. For this reason, the later work of a Christian artist is more likely to be a conscious expression of transcendental truth understood through experience, while the earlier work can often be an expression of intuitive perception that reaches into spiritual depths of which the artist himself is not yet fully aware. Dylan's work shows this spiritual progress toward a destination even as yet unknown. However, he acknowledges the Bible as the primary source of God's revelation to man and wishes not to be thought of as God's spokesman on Earth. We all err down here. M.M. ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Biblical influence on Dylan From: firstname.lastname@example.org (-jh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:13:54 Mark Moore writes: >As I have written several times to this newsgroup expressing thoughts >very similar to the above but met only with hostility and criticism, I >thought I would lend my support to what Mr. Vangrod is saying here. I found little in the essay which followed these words that supports any view I wish to express. I rather think you have used my terse comments as a springboard for expounding your own convoluted views on Western culture. I take particular exception with the paragraph following, & in anticipation of the torrent of words that usually follows any disagreement with you, I assure you I will not likely be reading or responding to dispute. You need to study. >Once in a while, a great genius comes along with clarity of insight into >the meaning of life's mysteries or at least the mysteries of the >circumstances of the times. Examples would be Shakespeare, Donne, Blake, >Eliot, Joyce, Tolkien, Kierkegaard, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, among >others. These writers have had such a deep understanding of the >transcendent meaning of life experience that, in order to express it, they >sometimes have had to break through the barriers of ordinary language into >a language of the heart that the Bible calls "speaking in tongues." The >result seems to be confused gobbledy-gook to those who do not have "ears >to hear" or the gift of spiritual interpretation. But behind the personal >style of expression is an understanding, a vision, that can only be called >extraordinary. The expression "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" was used only by the Lord Himself in connection with His Own Teaching! It is found seven times in the Gospels & eight times in the Book of Revelation: always in connection with the most solemn words of His Ministry. Application of the words "ears to hear" as necessary means to spiritual discernment of any work of human invention, be it socalled "genius" or whatever, is not acceptable, to put it very mildly. The Bible speaks of "tongues" prominently in two respects. First: the Voice of Pentecost which was spoken miraculously through the Apostles in Jerusalem as recorded in Acts, chapter 2. This Voice was heard & clearly understood by listeners in their own language of origin simultaneously. The crowd wondered: "How hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" (Acts 2:8) The prime quality of the "tongue" was clarity. It was not esoteric literature. (I personally think it is this tongue of Pentecost Dylan writes of in Dignity.) Virtually without exception, wherever the word "tongues" is found in the King James translation, the original Greek is: "glossa" - which means: language. In the original 1611 edition of the KJV, the translators took pains to make this known in their lengthy letter of introduction, humbly warning readers the linguistic work of revealing the Scripture in English was far from complete. The extended message concerning tongues in I Corinthians, 14th chapter, is common sense instruction about the need for ministers to be educated in foreign languages when taking the Gospel throughout the world, (as the miraculous manifestation of the Voice of Pentecost was temporary fulfillment of a prophecy of Joel, declared by Peter at Acts 2:16-2.) No mysterious new "language of the heart" was placed at the disposal of human authors. To the contrary, as many people of very different "tongues" & national origins were brought together into one body, Paul counseled churches to practice care to ensure useless verbal cacaphony did not result in Christian meetings. To this point, Paul wrote at I Corinthians 14:33: "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." Ideally, peace & understanding is the object of "speaking in tongues." It is by peace & clarity of expression the listener may find the: "secrets of his heart made manifest..." (I Corinthians 14:25) There is absolutely no scriptural basis for application of these events or concepts to human literary artifacts. Please leave the socalled ''language of the heart" to Hallmark, & read your Bible before lecturing on the Scriptures. For your own good, I hope you hear this message clearly. You need to study. -jh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If any man speak in an *unknown* tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." -I Corinthians 14:27&28 ======== Newsgroups: clari.local.wisconsin,clari.sports.football.nfl,biz.clarinet.sample Subject: Packer fans to get piece of Lambeau Field From: Cemail@example.com (UPI) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 9:12:01 PST GREEN BAY, Wis., Jan. 24 (UPI) -- Green Bay Packer fans hoping to capture a memento to the team's hallmark 1996 season can now buy small chucks of grass yanked from Lambeau Field. The Packers organization has announced plans to sell the hallowed sod in small 5-inch-square patches with the proceeds going to charity. The packaged sod, will go on sale in the Lambeau parking lot for $10 a piece starting the day before Super Bowl XXXI. --- Copyright 1997 by United Press International. All rights reserved. --- ======== Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.archaeology,sci.archaeology,alt.religion.christian Subject: Chinese calendar inauguration is Jan 6, 2029 BC not Feb 2, 2637 BC From: Mike Schiller Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:27:17 +0000Mike Schiller wrote: > Julian April 4 of 574 AD > year Kiah-Wu (horse); day Wu-Wu (horse) >Richard wrote: >> is taken from the Watchtower magazines which >> are Jehovah's Witnesses. So to answer your question... >> yes I have taken this from Jehovah's Witnesses. >Which issue ? As was stated before...Watching the World had an article (which after many years of requesting a date from the Watchtower Society for the correlation of the Chinese 60-day calendar with the biblical reality) finally made itself manifest in an article referring to the date April 4 of 574 AD as a 1219-year comet on the day Woo Woo. Do a search on your CD and you will find it. It is definately a predicted Armageddon date by the Chinese sect who recorded it. >> Does it offend you that >> I would "have anything to do with them" ? >no. I am Jehovah's Witnesses... :-) >David In FACTS ON FILE's *Book Of Calendars* the Chinese calendar absent new moon for 238 AD was Feb 2 and using the 19-year Metonic cycle should be Feb 2 for 238 BC also. Astronomy programs show it to be Feb 3 with rising new moon as Feb 4. The date Feb 7 of 238 BC is the day Kiah-Tse and is 360 days before the date Feb 2 of 237 BC which is also Kiah-Tse of the YEAR Kiah-Tse. On this date the calendar inauguration Era was declared as 2400 years earlier as Feb 2 (day Kiah-Tse) of 2637 BC (year Kiah-Tse). Genesis indicates it was in fact the year Jin-Shin (monkey) 2029 BC on the day Wu-Shin (monkey) Jan 5 as last cresent to the eclipsed Jan 6 winter solstice absent new moon. Ur's mass suicide to go to heaven occurred 5 lunar months later memorialized by the Egyptian Christ-mass Choiak 25 (May 6) now worshipped as the Magi's December 25. (As most asrologers today who fail to accept correction, the Magi rejected Julius Caesar's new technology which proved a December 25 solstice, and stuck to the Jan 6 of 2000 BC, for christening the toddler Jesus on Jan 6 as being newborn that day as king; a birth as king not the birth as baby.) But the date for Sirius (Sothis) as a regulator less accurate than the star Regulus, implied a sothic olympiad as 1461 days. And thus the drift of Sirius' rising from July 17 of 2030 BC to that of July 19 in 238 BC implied a 600-year span back to 2037 BC instead of 2029 BC (8-year difference as 4-years per July date) and thus also back again to 2637 BC. What appeared wrongly as support was the start of the new world (which had two dates, that of the end of Noah's Flood Jan 6 of 2369 BC, and that of the end of guaranteed great longevity marked by the winter solstice new year Jan 6 of 2029 BC). That of the Flood was the rise of venus to Aquarius of which for Feb 2 of 1437 BC (Moses is correct in Genesis that the city-structuring of skilled trades, schooling, and degrees results in know-it-alls who are actually confused...babble) and thus regard 1437 BC as 600 years of the calendar from the Aquarius venus which actually marked the Flood as 932 years (2369-1437 BC = 4x 243y sidereal venus minus 5x 8y venus). Thus the verification of Genesis is proudly supported by this proof Jehovah has given me. And it can be said to the world that Jehovah hides nothing. It does not require a ressurrection of all the dead to prove the real history of our own Genesis. The current evidence is ignored by current scholars, and i the one going forth saying Repent cause the kingdom has drawn near, it is the IBSA born legally as your kingdom in 1914, and pointing out error from the smallest man to the greatest scholar and organizations.....repent cause only your changing and turning around from this exalted image of yourself in the mirror will spare any humans at all. Here is the real CHRIST our Leader, the one who can humble himself to his own anointing and accept what must occur to save his 12 apostles (his children the great crowd who survive to become the ONLY world, the whole world.) ======== Newsgroups: alt.books.phil-k-dick Subject: Re: 2-3/74:Dick's religous encounter From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Flat Gelat) Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:54:44 GMT In article <19971029160301.LAA28967@ladder02.news.aol.com>, email@example.com (MLedoux01) writes: > >In Popluar Alienation it says that The Valis epsiode is exactly like >Illuminati > teachings. Anybody know more about this? > > >Mark > > If we told you, we'd have to kill you. Regards, Frater Flatulus "Dad" Gelatinus http://members.aol.com/flatgelat/ Order of Ancient & Avoided Flatulati Order of Goddess Goosers, Erisian Detachment Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren Seeker, Grade Zed, Moorish Orthodox Church Astrologer to the Court of The 13 Moons InterNestling, Church of All Worlds ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Milwaukee Journal concert review From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:51:56 -0600 Moodiness revived, Dylan Shines by Dave Tianen Usually rock legends crash and burn. Cranky individualist that he's always been, Bob Dylan has chosen to slumber and awaken. After two decades of vexingly inconsistent albums, Dylan has returned with an album so powerfully stark and harrowing that it could scare the pout out of Eddie Vedder. Moreover, judging from his performance Wednesday night at the Eagles Ballroom, the excitement surrounding "Time Out of Mind" seems to have energized Dylan's often maddeningly inconsistent c concert performance. Let's be honest, however, Dylan still gives the impression of a private man in a public role. Aside from the band introduction, "Thanks, everybody" was his longest speech of the night. This is a man whose mood must be read in little signals ... an occasional grin, a dab of bluesman body language, sometimes even an outright wave of the hand. That said, this is still the most relaxed, almost playful Dylan I've ever seem. At 56, he looks good in Dylan terms. In keeping with the mood of dread that pervades "Time Out of Mind", Dylan came out in dark coat and bow tie. He looked a little like a run-down undertaker from a spaghetti western. The hair's a little shorter, but it still looks as if it's been styled by a robin. It's the music, of course, that matters. Themes of entrapment run through "Time Out of Mind" and Dylan's music in general. Wednesday there was the emotional enslavement of "Love Sick" and "Cold Irons Bound", the physical imprisonment of "Maggie's Farm" and the chemical entrapment of "Cocaine Blues". Despite its easy, down-home front-porch lilt, even "You Ain't Going Norwhere" is at bottom a song about being caught. One of the major rewards of Wednesday's show is that Dylan seems to be resisting the temptation to give his classics the kind of Frankenstein makeover they have sometimes fallen victim to in the past. "Tangled Up in Blue" got a slightly faster tempo that undercut the narrative a bit but let the band dig in for an interesting guitar jam. The evening's closer, "Rainy Day Women" was played at a slippery tempo, but its essential frat party heart was left intact. Given the scary mishaps that sometimes occur at Dylan shows, Wednesday turned out to be a treat. (Note from the typist, - what scary mishaps at shows is this reviewer talking about? Anyone know? - back to review) The sound was decent, which is high praise by Eagles Ballroom standards. There was a good mix of standards and new stuff. The crowd had a ball, and even Bob seemed to enjoy himself. The only thing that could have been better is if he'd played "Shelter From the Storm". -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Milwaukee Sentinal Story From: "Stans Lumber Inc." Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:25:29 -0600Saw this in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal. When you just can't get enough Dylan . . . By Tina Maples of the Journal Sentinel November 12, 1997 It started with one man's case of the Wish More People Were Talkin' Bob Dylan blues. About this time a year ago, Bob Reitman had just seen one of the best Dylan concerts of his life. He longed to sit down and deconstruct all the nuances with another rabid fan. Trouble was, he couldn't find anyone who knew, say, that John Wesley Harding was more than just the name of an English singer who sounds like Elvis Costello. So Reitman jumped on the Internet and sent out an A.B.B. -- All Bob Bulletin -- in search of like-minded local folks who wanted to get together periodically and talk about His Bobness. "Most of my friends who are Dylan fans are out of town. I was looking for something around here," said Reitman, who's been half of the morning team on WKTI-FM (94.5) almost as long as he's been a Dylan fan. "I didn't know whether I'd get 100 responses or one." The turnout -- a handful -- confirmed Reitman's suspicion: "There aren't as many Dylan fans as there should be." But since last fall, a 42-year-old college English teacher from Grafton, a 51-year-old employee-benefits underwriter from South Milwaukee and a 34-year-old Wauwatosa engineer have been getting together periodically at the radio station for what Reitman calls "Dylan show-and-tell," trading memories, memorabilia and interpretations of the Dylan canon. They'll hold their next meeting after tonight's Dylan concert at the Eagles Ballroom, the place where Reitman saw that inspiring show a year ago. "If I know somebody likes Dylan, that cuts away 95% of the filtering process that I normally go through, that most of us go through, in meeting new people," Reitman said. "I don't want this to sound weird, but if you told me you were a hard-core Dylan freak, I would put you through very few further tests (of friendship). It's never failed me." Even so, the group had trouble getting together. Julie Thorsen, an engineer who helps companies define their energy needs, considers herself a more casual fan and admitted she was "very intimidated" at first. "Some of these guys have have everything Dylan ever recorded," she said. Tom Wilmeth, an English instructor at Concordia College, said he was worried about getting involved with "rabid" Dylan tape traders and over-the-top fans "who have nothing else in their lives." Right. By the way, Tom -- isn't your 6-year-old son named, um, Dylan? "I'd like to point out that I fought against that," Wilmeth said, laughing. The name came from his wife, Ellie, he said. Now, cynics who aren't tapped into the Dylan mystique might wonder if this fan club isn't really a support group in disguise. After all, few artists besides Neil Young and the Grateful Dead have tested their fandom with the kind of erratic output that has marked Dylan's live shows in the last decade. "I've never felt like I was a long-suffering fan," said Marty Traynor, an employee benefits underwriter from South Milwaukee. "Dylan was so exciting and so much a part of growing up for some of us. For example, about the time he went through his Christian period was when a lot of us were starting families and having a little bit of a shift in our thoughts as well." And then, of course, there's The Voice -- the ultimate line of demarcation between the casual fan and the die-hard disciple. "For some reason, Dylan connects with certain people and not others," Reitman said. "There are a lot of people who just can't get past his voice. And you know what? That's fine. I think he's the best singer in the world. I don't know what it is about his voice, but it just cuts right to my soul." On some areas, the group members have agreed to disagree. Both Reitman and Traynor are enthralled with "Time Out of Mind," Dylan's first album of new material since "Under the Red Sky" in 1990. But Thorsen and Wilmeth have reservations about the record. "It's good but not great," Wilmeth said. "It gets a little bit same-y in parts, and there are very few stand-out things that make me want to put it on again and again. I lean hard toward the early acoustic Bob, where the talent is just dripping off his fingers." Thorsen even suggested that some of the reverence for the new record is an exaggerated response to Dylan's potentially fatal heart infection last summer. That's Bob blasphemy, but Thorsen is a brave woman. In circles where naming the "wrong" best Dylan album can make you a pariah, she isn't afraid to say that her favorite is 1995's "MTV Unplugged" record. The group's true test of devotion to the Dylan bloodline comes on Dec. 17. Then, they'll have to decide whether to reconvene at the Eagles Ballroom to see the Wallflowers, the popular band led by Dylan's son, Jakob. Traynor admits he's curious, but he's hesitated in buying a ticket. No, not because his 13-year-old son is going to the same show. It's something more than that -- something having to do with an image of himself as, well, forever young. "I picture the scene as being several hundred people the age of my kids and a fringe of about 75 people my age standing on the outskirts," Traynor said. "Not that I'd wear a business suit to a concert, but it just conjures this terrible image of all us gray-haired people . . . " His voice trailed off, and he laughed. "I don't think I can quite handle that." ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: thoughts on milwaukee From: email@example.com (Bdylan8879) Date: 15 Nov 1997 02:47:50 GMT it took a few days to get the old thought machine rolling but i have yet to see anyone say much about this show so i thought i might throw my hand into play. first of all, am i getting old, or are these dylan crowds getting younger? everyone within talking distance from me was younger than i, and i ai'nt no grandpa....yet. nice to see the youth of america come out, in milwaukee anyway.. about the show, bob came out aroung 8:15....looked sharp, black pants, long black coat, yellowish shirt, nice bow tie. the guy in the mil. paper said he looked like an old west undertaker. (good one). maggies farm....nice start to a usually slow starter in mr. dylan. to me he usually takes a few tunes to get rolling, but tonight i thought he was on from song one. (even thou it seemed this crowd was'nt.) man in the long black coat...first time since or 91 since i have heard this one live. i thought he was kicking.. cold irons bound....give me a break...this was too cool...great sound....bob BREAKING of the words....to hell with all along the watchtower, keep this one in the 3 whole for the next ten years. you aint goin nowhere...hmmm this show was heatin up from a hot start. i must tell you i go way back with this song....first kiss kinda song...first girlfreind kinda tune....well lets not get into that, but it brought back some rusty old memories... can't wait....i am still tryin to listen to this record, so i am not sure how to rate this one. on the record, bob seems most deliberate in his delivery....but i like the line...I"M ROLLING THRU STORMY WEATHER...remember that one....he should have called it stormy seasons.....i'm rolling thru the graveyard....... silvio....i like this one, as always cocaine blues...ok, but i would rather here stone walls... one too many mornings....this song cooked....over and out....the jam in the middle was to cool...i think at this point during the wooden tunes, we found out this was a rock-n-roll show. tangled up in blue...another fantastic music interlude...the crowd finally starts to discover were they are.... till i fell in love....is it just me or has bob already started reinventing this one..... blind willie mctell....yes...finally..i have been waiting for this one for i don't know how many years...i was not disapointed.... highway 61....took me awhile, i was still taking in willie....but bob really jamed this...the band really sticking this one hard.... like a rolling stone...bob has refound the energy of this one...he even is acting like he wants to play it again.... don't think twice....again the band...and bob really rock the wooden tune...like they did all night...this was the best one of the night....maybe...blind willie...had hard boiled eggs...but this was fine...i mean finnnnnnnne. lovesick...i'm in the middle of it....i don't know what to think of this one.... rdw 12 35.....needs a new closer...the kids of course love this one....i think it's rushed, bob seems ready to go....so he goes... so thats my ten cents worth....there was of course the girl with the roses, jumped on stage at some point, giving bob the whole damn bush of roses, he never lookes comfertable in these situations.....nice work bob....see ya in chicago..... ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Open Letter to Fans of Dylan From: Cosmos Kraemer Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:23:41 +0000John Howells wrote: > > firstname.lastname@example.org (Dignity3) writes: > > > Hell, if I had the money *I'd* buy him myself! Have a concert in my > living room. > > -- > > John Howells > email@example.com > http://www.punkhart.com I'll pay half, bring the chips n dip and the Coke (classic). -- there is no* xx *in my e- mail address Tom KRILL *CHECK THESE OUT* *http://www.goduke.com/teams/fbc/bios/nate_krill.html *http://www.freeyellow.com/members/einsteinfoyt/index.html *http://home.att.net/~curtisturner/ ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Show yourselves! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (DAR) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:19:50 LOCAL Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a "brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time. Just wanted to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at all. Right? Isn't it? Are we suppossed to get naked here or what?? Or is it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on??? ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Show yourselves! From: email@example.com (CDBolton1) Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:11:14 GMT DAR wrote: >Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a >"brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time. Just wanted >to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass >embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or >post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at >all. Right? Isn't it? Are we suppossed to get naked here or what?? Or is >it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on??? Dar has a good point here, I think it is important that we should all strip off more often and accept the fact that we make occasionally make fools of ourselves.... Which brings me nicely to those of you who read this newsgroup who reside in the UK or within travelling distance. There will be a great oppurtunity for us all to make fools of ourselves at the forthcoming meeting of LC Fans to be held in Lincoln City during March 98. To date I have only received 3 replys, don't be shy those of you who still have your clothes on, "show yourselves"!! Chris Bolton Chris Bolton ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Show yourselves! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (JB181159) Date: 22 Nov 1997 15:01:23 GMT Im Artikel , email@example.com (DAR) schreibt: >How about we all meet up for a coach trip across Europe before we die... *DAR says, *I'm having one of my introspective days and feeling a "Judith" moment coming *on. I swear we may have the makings of a Cohen Cult here. This ng is *becoming a lifeline for me and when Chris asked if we'd all still be friends *at the end of our coach ride I find the cynic in me says, "What do mean *friends? You guys might be a bunch of brain dead morons who haven't an ounce *of nobility among you!" Then the little voice says, "Dar, come on, have a *nice day. Get on the bus. Sing along. Go in for that group hug and lighten *up on Judith." The cult reference is coming from something in me that senses *my tendancy to agree to "meeting on the mountain while we wait for the *miracle to come," or something along those lines. So...just struggling with *my negativity and letting you know, that I really want to go, but I'll be the *one in the back of the bus shouting, "This is my stop. Just let me off here. *I gotta go. Stop!", and you guys just say, "Somebody strap DAR back in. *She'll be fine in a few minutes!" >Checked the ng today and read some of my old postings, and I sound like a >"brain dead moron without an ounce of nobility," half the time. Just wanted >to let others out there know that in spite of the fact the I'm half-ass >embarrassed more than half the time when I "go with the flow" and follow or >post a thought that I may regret later it's better than not contributing at >all. Right? Isn't it? Are we suppossed to get naked here or what?? Or is >it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on??? ----Hey DAR, why worry so badly, ainīt life hard enough anyway? As much as Iīve found out, it seems as if we all have found (and created...) a scarce and precious reservation, where we can gather with AND without maskes, just as we feel at the very moment. What a gift, what a find! One gotta have to walk long and dusty roads, to find a group of people, that do offer a similar atmosphere! But on the other hand, not really surprising, as long as you keep in mind, under whose flag we did gather. As much as Iīm concerned, I never found a person - be it male or female, of what race or nationality ever, who did hold up that bouquet for acceptance in human diversity that passionate. There are the ones, who do preach pessimism, the fewer, who try to sell optimism, how much it might cost, the grief an bitter ones, the humorous hearts and the shy and hiding. The exibitionistic and exposing ones, the warriors and the victims, the depressed and the joyful. (I could continue this thread until you would prefer to switch off your computer, therefore Iīd better stop here.) What I was trying to say is, there was nearly no mood, no status of emotion, Cohen had not gained his very personal acquaintance with. The only - reliefing - exception, I suppose, was the narrow-hearted "this OR that". Iīm convinced, thereīs not many wrinkles left of human soul, he did not discover, investigate, feel deeply and discribed masterly. So please donīt make that excessive demand on yourself, to fit into any precountably system. (At least not here, in the magical omnibus.) Just enjoy your cynical voice as well as the one, that yearns for social gathering. Donīt try to force one of them grow mute. Hey, both do belong to you. They both are worth to be heard. They both are wellcome. Both of them are talking in us as well, and therefore will be able to answer yourīs. By the way - I love the picture you did paint of yourself, strapped and complaining in the back of the bus. And be sure, thereīll be enough opportunities, where you will be the one, who caring and caressingly straps one of us. We all did gain our very private acquaintence with the deamons of the dark...and itīs renewed often enough... Judith ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Show yourselves! From: firstname.lastname@example.org (LcDonT) Date: 22 Nov 1997 17:54:26 GMT > Are we suppossed to get naked here or what?? Or is >it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on??? Just " Be for real" ( and you can keep your shirt on...) Don ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: Show yourselves! From: "Tony H. McLendon" Date: 23 Nov 1997 19:25:24 GMTI disagree -- get nakad! Tony LcDonT wrote in article <19971122175401.MAA13894@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > > Are we suppossed to get naked here or what?? Or is > >it just better to shut up and keep my shirt on??? > > Just " Be for real" ( and you can keep your shirt on...) > > Don > ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: turning into gold From: "Catherine A. Murphy" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:05:19 -0600Chip Seward wrote: > > email@example.com wrote: > > > > "I'd like to tell my story > > before I turn to gold" > > > > "I think that "turning into gold" is a phrase layered with meanings.." > > I always took it to be alchemy...turning "base" metals into gold through > various chemistries/magics...a spiritual quest, burning himself down to > an essence and starting anew, "regeneration thru degeneration," as in > Beautiful Losers." > > In one of his poems he says he (I'm getting this from memory) thinks > he's turning into gold because "I've already turned into lead." > > The alchemists were often gnostics, and there's a gnostic thread in LCs > stuff..."there is a crack in everything...that's how the light gets > in..." > > aff, > > Chip Chip--Your quote is from The Cuckold's Song > > If this looks like a poem > I might as well warn you at the beginning > that it's not meant to be one. > I don't want to turn anything into poetry. > I know all about her part in it > but I'm not concerned with that right now. > This is between you and me. > Personally I don't give a damn who led who on: > In fact I wonder if I give a damn at all. > But a man's got to say something. > Anyhow you fed her 5 MacKewan Ales, > took her to your room, put the right records on, > and in an hour or two it was done. > I know all about passion and honor > but unfortunately, this had really nothing to do with either: > Oh there was passion I'm only too sure > And even a little honor > but the important thing was to cuckold Leonard Cohen. > Hell, I might just as well address this to the both of you: > I haven't time to write anything else. > I've got to say my prayers. > I've got to wait by the window. > I repeat: the important thing was to cuckold Leonard Cohen. > I like that line because it's got my name in it. > What really makes me sick > is that everything goes on as it went before: > I'm still a sort of friend, > I'm still a sort of lover. > But not for long: > That's why I'm telling this to the two of you. > The fact is I'm turning to gold, turning to gold. > it's a long process, they say, > it happens in states. > This is to inform you that I've already turned to clay. Leonard Cohen, _The Spice Box of Earth_ Thank all of you for your words on turning to gold. I see that it is a process/journey that all of us undertake if we are lucky. I like very much LC's comment in his recent interview about his tenderness (and forgiveness?) for his younger self. I like to think that I have begun to feel/do the same for myself. Cathy ======== Newsgroups: alt.music.leonard-cohen Subject: Re: turning into gold From: "Chris Chalifoux" Date: 19 Nov 1997 00:05:58 GMTak347@is7.nyu.edu wrote in article <firstname.lastname@example.org>... > "I'd like to tell my story > before I turn to gold" > > I think that "turning into gold" is a phrase layered with meanings, and > all of them are valid, since it's poetry. Once anti-war activists from both US coasts were going to meditate at the same time to try to raise the Pentagon to protest the war in Vietnam. "The difference," one participant told me, "between the two sides of the country was that on the East Coast it was considered a media event, out on the West Coast they were fully expecting to see the Pentagon rise off it's foundation." I was a little too young (or too stoned) to have been in on this but I already know which camp I'm in. Maybe if there was just one more person on the ..oh it's just plain foolish to speculate on this anymore. Turning to gold : Like a piece of petrified wood we too have our beginning as a much more transitory material. Comprised of elements found in clay. We can let the pressure of the Cosmos bake us into hard bricks that are only good for stacking or creating boundaries (or Pentagons). Or we can water our spirit with words of life until life has its way in us. Life will lead us and make us willing to let go of this transitory life a little at a time as an eternal life replaces each bit of the clay. A tiny bit at a time until we are that life. Until we are that pure and malleable work of gold. A golden lampstand which is pure in nature and burning with the oil of the spirit Why then will I not fall like an old Oak into a river of water of life where I'll be steeped, permeated with elements much richer than the clay I now cling to so stubbornly? Eagerly (but not eagerly enough) awaiting transformation, Chris ======== Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Dylan Christmas Songs From: Bob Stacy Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:24:34 -0500TIMHRK@AOL.COM wrote: > Hey, speaking of the holidays could somebody repost the SNOW ON > INTERSTATE 80 > thing. That was so amazing, its like the holy grail of Dylan > releases. Does > it exist? Is it myth? I have been thinking about it since I read it > last > year. > > In fact, making its positng an annual christmas event is a great idea. > > PS, I could figure out to use that archive thing I would. > > PLEASE REPOST ON SNOW ON INTERSTATE 80. Well -- I dunno about the holy grail of Dylan releases. But the rumor of that LP did seem to raise the ante on the Dylan myth a degree or two (even with tongue in cheek). And that newspaper(?) article did bring a chuckle even in the old days. Ah well, since some of us really have been good boys & girls this past year -- and I can't make that archive thing work too well either -- we'll just slog down another cup of Christmas cheer and let fly with a good old reposting. For it 'tis the season .... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Oh my! 'Tis it once again the season to dredge up a Ghost of Christmas Past? Move over Marley, here comes Ebeneezer Bob. Please pardon if this has been posted previously or is elsewhere on the net, but from [God-knows-where, December 1975], Dean Te Dios did write: ------------------------------------------------------------- DYLAN - the missing Christmas album At last, definite evidence has come to light that confirms that, in the autumn of 1965, Bob Dylan *did* record a Christmas Album. The existence of the Dylan Christmas Album has always been hotly denied by Dylan himself, his management, and his record company. Even the most determined bootleggers and Dylanologists have been unable to obtain extant copies of the record, the master tapes of which were allegedly destroyed when the project was suddenly nixed by Dylan himself at the eleventh hour. Now, "Thrills" has obtained a copy, rumoured to be one of only seven copies in the world, the other copies being in the possession of Dylan himself, his then manager Albert Grossman, ex-CBS president Clive Davis and anonymous French collector said to have paid $100,000 for it in 1966. How this copy of the album - which was entitled "Snow Over Interstate 80" - came into our hands, must of course, remain the darkest of secrets. But here, for your delight, are the true facts. The sessions which produced "Interstate" took place in New York City, between the completion of "Highway 61Revisited" and the commencement of the "Blonde On Blonde" sessions. Considering the album comes from Dylan's 'classic' middle period, most of the tracks are, frankly, disappointing. It has been said that the idea of a Christmas Album was forced on Dylan against his will by commercial pressures and a previously unnoticed clause in his recording contract. Dylan seems to have treated the idea with an intriguing mixture of enthusiasm and commercial cynicism. The album had apparently been completed, mixed, and several thousand copies pressed before Dylan reversed his decision and cancelled the whole project, after threatening never to perform again if the album were released. Even the cover artwork had been tentatively completed [when Dylan announced his decision], the rough of which "Thrills" shows for the first time. Side one kicks off with a dynamic up-tempo version of "Visions Of Johanna", in which the "Nightingale's Code" version of the lyrics is laid over a rocking Kooper/Bloomfield workout on what is at root, a standard Jimmy Reed riff. The track runs to some seven minutes and tends to slide over the edge towards the end when Bloomfield and Kooper indulge in a lengthy pre-"Super Session" trading of solos. Track two is a studio recording of "Tell Me Mama" that Dylan performed regularly during the 1966 tour with The Band and is already preserved on the "Live At The Albert Hall" bootleg. The third track is the most bizarre on the record. Would you believe "Frosty The Snowman" in the style of the Ronettes on Phil Spector's Christmas album with The Zim giving a three year advance preview on his "Nashville Skyline" voice? Fantastic, but true. Dylan drawls out the lyrics, and at one memorable juncture after yelling ".... and two eyes made out of co-a-l" adds a spontaneous whoop of "believe me mama". The production credit for "Frosty" is mysteriously given to one "Delmore Nis Won", which, according to more than one reliable source, was Phil Spector and Brian Wilson working in uneasy harness at Dylan's personal and adamant insistence. The first side closes with a massed female chorale of dubious pitch singing "I'm Dreaming Of A White Christmas" against an almost mournful background of strings, with an occasional overdub of some lazy slide guitar, sounding suspiciously like early Ry Cooder. The chorale was apparently made up of youthful Greenwich Village folkies, including (according to some sources) the anonymous and bespectacled eighteen year old Patti Smith, and the Warhol model Edie Sedgwick. Dylan occurs nowhere on the entire cut unless it is he strumming lazy twelve string rhythm guitar. Production here, however, is credited to Dylan. Side Two opens with the title track, "Snow Over Interstate 80" - which is possibly as magnificent as anything on "Blonde On Blonde", with lines like: "Arabella talks so sweetly Her Chevy's broken down As the snow piles on her windshield Winston's back in town ... " Backing is the 'jingle jangle' sound of numbers like "Stuck Inside of Mobile With Thee" supplemented at the end with some heavily echoed sleigh bells. It's followed bv "Farewell Angelina", which is frankly, just not that good. It seems to have been left over from an earlier session - possibly from "Another Side" - and features Dylan playing acoustic and singing halfheartedly. Joan Baez did it better. Then we are confronted by another sop to a 'Dylan Christmas Album', as he recites, with no instrumental accompaniment, the relevant part of St. Matthew's gospel - "And there came a great light, etc." It takes a little over a minute. There is nothing else to say. Those of you still reading this will probably be familiar with the widely bootlegged "She's Your Lover Now", which is the next cut. In fact, none of the bootleg versions has a completely mixed ending like the version presented here, which has a fade-out time of some two minutes. Next up is an eight minute marathon cut, called "Freewheelin'", never previously bootlegged or published. It's a slow acoustic number supplemented with spartan bass and drums and a sinewy guitar from what must be Robbie Robertson, and seems to be another diatribe against Suzy Rolloto [sp.] whom enthusiasts recall is pictured walking down snow-bound streets of New York with Dylan on the cover of "Freewheelin"' album. The album then swings back in its schizoid fashion to a final stab at a seasonal offering with "Silent Night" with what sounds like Michael Bloomfield playing primo tacky acoustic and Dylan's almost consistently out of tune singing. It's easy to see why Dylan insisted on the whole thing being scrapped despite the outstanding magnificence of a handful of the cuts. The title track was also being considered for a Christmas Single by all accounts. A later Dylan Christmas single rumoured to be called "Woodstock Yule", and alledgedly arising from the "Self Portrait" sessions, has never come to light. ---------------------- End of 1975 article ---------------------- The article shows a cover for the album - a head and shoulders shot of a 1965-ish Dylan on an all-white background. Full title is "Bob Dylan: Snow Over Interstate 80". A CBS emblem appears in the upper right hand corner (no other labeling or identifiers are visible). Oh mama, could this have really been the end? ;-) Happy Mickelmass! -Bob Stacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wake us up again next year 'round about this time, supply another a cup or two of Christmas cheer, and once again we'll bring down the snow over Interstate 80. Damn, I just love annual Christmas events, don't you? ;-) -Bob Stacy
970918.1058 [from hand-written note, kept] With a wine + several Whiskey Cokes in my gut + head, I contemplate the Kleenex box (each sheet pops up) - the tissue stands above its box in a kind of anticipating reverence. Slight curving twist, a beautiful, mysterious curve produced by the slit in the plastic being narrower than the width of the sheet - beauty formed by constraint. All things beautiful come about because of some constraint. The flowing of life energie around their constraints. The prison generating the illusion of freedom. The ad in Isthmus of a gent with a beard on a motorcycle - "Wouldn't you like to be this free?" Yeah, the freedom of bondage to the gasoline tank. Typical American business promoting a "freedom" that requires you to be devoted to a brand name to be "free". I have freedoms even *I* haven't seen yet. There is *no* freedom outside the trees. The bondage is complete when anyone else knows where you are. I have a ton of examples I could cite as to why you are *never* free. Why you can *never* get away until you *get away*. And in the room full of skeletons you imagine yourself to have flesh! In the god-forsaken tunnels where you are driven by the Quarn, you imagine you have the faith! In every fart you've emitted, you have found God. In every tear you've shed, you're forgiven by the universe. Well, you've lost all those farts + those tears in the swamp that swallowed you as easily + as un-empathically as a stone. [970919.0827. You've used up all your farts and all your tears.]
Notes on Benford - Stars in shroud, etc. 980112.0539 Hey, you *did* wear your cheesehead hat on Sunday, Jan 11, didn't you? I'm keeping an eye on you. Behold the glory, in the enclosed posters. TOOM. FLW Center. Kohl Center. 950527.1740 [Copied from hand-written note] The Bible shivered on the pavement, the wind flipping its pages first to Daniel, then Matthew, back to Ezekiel's bones. Hovered while the snow ... down, then riled a chorus of Leviticus, Obadiah, + John. Finally muffled under a coat of soft snow. A doll with one eye poked out, in standing position on her back, left arm cocked in thought, right arm twisted in its socket, inane smile + curly brown hair. I stepped onto the pavement, hoping no car would skid + slide into me. I bent to the Bible. 980114.0518. So Jim stood on the ledge, and before he jumped he told me all there is to know about fixing the fuse on a Proctor-Silex toaster. As he fell toward the pavement sparks flew from his lips. Some reached me before he splatted. They plucked at my eyelids and smoked my cigaret, while telling me marvelous ditties from the range - cowpokes and injuns. It was only months after, and all the while the image of blood and gristle smeared on the pavement in my head, that I broke down and cried for my friend - no, for me for my friend. I saw in that moment what a chunk of my life he had occupied and now it was ripped out of me. I put on my cheesehead hat and hummed my alma mater under my breath, picked up my slide rule, and went right back to work! BLIND WILLIE MCTELL (Words and Music by Bob Dylan) 1983 Special Rider Music Seen the arrow on the doorpost Saying, This land is condemned All the way from New Orleans To Jerusalem. I traveled through East Texas Where many martyrs fell And I know no one can sing the blues Like Blind Willie McTell Well, I heard the hoot owl singing As they were taking down the tents The stars above the barren trees Were his only audience Them charcoal gypsy maidens Can strut their feathers well But nobody can sing the blues Like Blind Willie McTell See them big plantations burning Hear the cracking of the whips Smell that sweet magnolia blooming (And) see the ghosts of slavery ships I can hear them tribes a-moaning (I can) hear the undertakers bell (Yeah), nobody can sing the blues Like Blind Willie McTell Theres a woman by the river With some fine young handsome man Hes dressed up like a squire Bootlegged whiskey in his hand Theres a chain gang on the highway I can hear them rebels yell And I know no one can sing the blues Like Blind Willie McTell Well, God is in heaven And we all want whats his But power and greed and corruptible seed Seem to be all that there is Im gazing out the window Of the St. James Hotel And I know no one can sing the blues Like Blind Willie McTell FOOT OF PRIDE (Words and Music by Bob Dylan) 1983 Special Rider Music Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man So can a woman who passes herself off as a male They sang Danny Boy at his funeral and the Lords Prayer Preacher talking bout Christ betrayed Its like the earth just opened and swallowed him up He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground You know what they say about bein nice to the right people on the way up Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin down Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back Hear ya got a brother named James, dont forget faces or names Sunken cheeks and his blood is mixed He looked straight into the sun and said revenge is mine But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed Sing me one more song, about ya love me to the moon and the stranger And your fall by the sword love affair with Erroll Flynn in these times of compassion when conformitys in fashion Say one more stupid thing to me before the final nail is driven in. Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back Theres a retired businessman named Red, cast down from heaven and hes out of his head He feeds off of everyone that he can touch He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash Hes not somebody that you play around with much Miss Delilah is his, a Philistine is what she is Shell do wondrous works with your fate Feed you coconut bread, spice buns in your bed If you dont mind sleepin with your head face down in a grave. Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back Well theyll choose a man for you to meet tonight Youll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors How to enter into the gates of paradise No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours Yeah, from the stage theyll be tryin to get water outta rocks A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in Sing Amazing Grace all the way to the Swiss banks Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back They got some beautiful people out there, man They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your tongue They got mystery written all over their forehead They kill babies in the crib and say only the good die young They dont believe in mercy Judgment on them is something that youll never see They can exalt you up or bring you down main route Turn you into anything that they want you to be Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back Yes, I guess I loved him too I can still see him in my mind climbin that hill Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped Struck down by the strength of the will Aint nothin left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraid From now on, thisll be where youre from Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade Well, there aint no goin back when your foot of pride come down Aint no goin back Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #2 January 7, 1998 - 09:30 a.m. EST (6:30 a.m. PST) Following its spectacular launch at 9:28:44pm EST (6:28:44 PST) on January 6 from the new Spaceport Florida commercial pad at Cape Canaveral, FL, the Lunar Prospector spacecraft is performing extremely well, according to operations personnel in the Mission Control Center (MCC) at Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, CA. As of 7:30am EST, the spacecraft's science booms have been completely and successfully deployed, and all science instruments--including the Magnetometer (MAG), the Electron Reflectometer (ER), the Neutron Spectrometer (NS), the Gamma Ray Spectrometer (GRS), and the Alpha Particle Spectrometer (APS)--have been turned on. The first trajectory correction maneuver (TCM) has been performed with preliminary results looking very good, according to Missions Operations Manager Marcie Smith. The spacecraft is currently spinning at 11.2 rpm, as planned, at the nominal cruise attitude. Mission control reported some anticipated problems with poor quality following initial data acquisition. This resulted from the geometry of the link between the spacecraft and the ground station--with the body of the vehicle itself partially blocking communication. Consequently, mission operations personnel delayed the scheduled spacecraft orientation until improved data quality could be achieved. Since the deployment sequence for the spacecraft's science booms was delayed, the original reorientation of the spacecraft was modified to put the vehicle in a more favorable thermal condition for boom deployment. The spacecraft was oriented to the nominal cruise attitude following science configuration mission operations personnel report. The spacecraft's science instruments will be turned to high voltage today, following a 'degassing' period, and a second vehicle TCM will be performed, if required. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #3 January 8, 1998 - 12:00 noon EST (9:00 a.m. PST) Lunar Prospector mission operations personnel report the successful completion of activities on day 2 of the mission timeline. Excellent support from the Deep Space Network has ensured no significant outages in telemetry or command uplink. The monitoring of engineering and science data was the primary activity during this first full-day of spacecraft operation. All systems appear normal. Between 1:09 a.m. and 2:44 a.m. (EST), the Electron Reflectometer, Neutron Spectrometer, and Gamma Ray Spectrometer instruments were commanded to high voltage. There were no anomalies and all instruments are currently providing good data. The current focus for the instruments is to collect calibration data enroute to the moon. The second trajectory correction maneuver (TCM) was performed between 3:25 and 3:40 a.m. (EST). It was relatively small, only 8.4 m/s, and the navigation team was busy verifying the results during the overnight session. A third TCM has been scheduled for Friday night/Saturday morning to trim out any final errors. It had been scheduled that the spacecraft would be placed into its attitude for lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burn after the TCM tonight, but that has been postponed until tomorrow afternoon. This will allow the dynamics engineer to get an update on the initial attitude, which changed slightly due to the TCM. The current configuration of the spacecraft is as follows: it is spinning at 12.685 rpm, at cruise attitude, and all instruments are on. Data is currently being transmitted to the ground tracking station at 3600 bps (science format) on the omni antenna. Activities for the next 24 hours include a command session beginning about 8 p.m. EST (Jan. 8) to command two of the instruments which may need gain changes, and to reorient the spacecraft to the LOI attitude. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #5 January 10, 1998 - 6:00 p.m. EST (3:00 p.m. PST) The Lunar Prospector spacecraft continues to perform extremely well and is right on schedule, according to Missions Operations Manager Marcie Smith. Overnight, a possible third trajectory correction maneuver (TCM) was deemed unnecessary and was cancelled. Only 8 science configuration commands were sent to the spacecraft since the last status report. Missions operations personnel now anticipate that the Lunar Prospector spacecraft will make its closest approach to the Moon within 4 seconds of the planned time, and will fly by at an altitude within 3 km of the target. The attitude of the spacecraft is currently correct for the first lunar orbit insertion (LOI) firing, and so an overnight reorientation trim manuever was also unnecessary and was cancelled. The first of the three scheduled lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burns is set for 6:45 a.m. EST (3:45 a.m. PST) on Sunday morning, January 11. Subsequent burns will follow within approximately 24 hours each, early on Monday and Tuesday mornings, depending upon the results of the first LOI burn, its effect upon the spacecraft and the vehicle's resulting orbit. Status reports on the results of each of the LOI burns will be issued as soon as mission operations personnel can provide verified information. For planning purposes only and subject to change, you are advised that these status reports are currently anticipated to be posted on this website by about 10 a.m. EST (7 a.m. PST) on the mornings of Sunday Jan. 11 and Monday Jan. 12, and at about 12 noon EST (9 a.m. PST) on Tuesday Jan. 13, 1998. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #6 January 11, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST) The Lunar Prospector spacecraft has successfully entered orbit around the Moon, reports Mission Operations Manager Marcie Smith. Following a highly successful first lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burn early this morning, an absolutely critical maneuver for mission success, all indications are that we have a very healthy spacecraft and that everything is right on track for a long and productive science mission, according to Mission Director Alan Binder of the Lunar Research Institute, Gilroy, CA. At 2:45 a.m. PST (5:45 a.m. EST), the maneuver command to begin the first LOI burn was loaded into the spacecraft register and began timing down. At precisely 3:45 a.m. PST (6:45 a.m. EST), the two thrusters on the underside of the spacecraft were fired for 32.2 minutes continuously to slow the vehicle and put it into lunar orbit. That maneuver was completed at 4:17 a.m. PST (7:17 a.m. EST). Preliminary analysis of the tracking data shows that the spacecraft is in an 11.8-hour period orbit, very close to the target 12-hour orbit. Today's lunar orbit insertion maneuver was a critical event for the Lunar Prospector spacecraft. If, for whatever reason, the engines could not have been commanded to fire within about 2 hours of the time of closest approach, the mission would have ended in a flyby of the Moon. Now, the spacecraft is safely in a stable orbit. Although second and third LOI burns are scheduled for tomorrow and Tuesday, they are not time critical. The latest pre-LOI trajectory showed that Lunar Prospector flew by the Moon at an altitude of 71 km (about 45 miles), about 11 km below the original target. The inclination of the orbit was about 89.7 degrees, just below the 89.9 degree target. The time of closest approach was estimated to be 33 seconds earlier than the original target. The spacecraft is currently spinning at 13.2 rpm, and all science instruments are on and working. Although mission science data collection has not officially begun, the spectrometer scientist was thrilled to see his first lunar data during the time of closest approach. The initial estimate of the orbit period at 11.8 hours suggests that the orbit will reach an altitude of just over 8,500 km at its furthest distance from the Moon just under six hours after the burn, according to missions operations personnel. A contingency spin trim maneuver scheduled for after the LOI burn was cancelled, as there was very little change in the spin rate during the maneuver and it was not deemed necessary. The spacecraft performed perfectly throughout the LOI maneuver, even though some minor data outages were encountered. The Deep Space Network (DSN) stations lost lock on the uplink and downlink signal from the spacecraft during the burn as a result of problems experienced in getting the trajectory predictions to the stations before the maneuver. As a result, about 5 minutes of data was lost. Analysis of today's event has ensured that the prediction problem is now well understood; similar outages are not anticipated during the second and third LOI burns tomorrow and Tuesday mornings. A capture orbit correction maneuver is scheduled for this morning, Jan. 11 at 9:40 a.m. PST (12:40 p.m. EST), if necessary. This will allow correction of the inclination if it was perturbed sufficiently during today's first LOI burn. The next major activity will be initiated at about 3:15 a.m. PST (6:15 a.m. EST) on Monday morning, Jan. 12 when a second 30-minute LOI burn will be fired resulting in a predicted reduction of the orbit period of the spacecraft to only 3.5 hours at the conclusion of LOI 2. The third and final LOI burn is scheduled for early Tuesday morning, Jan. 12, 1998. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #7 January 12, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST) The Mission Control Center at NASA's Ames Research Center reports that the Lunar Prospector spacecraft his now been successfully commanded through 2/3 of the maneuvers required to put it into its final desired mapping orbit configuration approximately 62 miles (100 km) above the lunar surface. That was achieved with this morning's second lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burn. That burn began at 5:58 a.m. EST (2:58 a.m. PST), concluding 27 minutes later at 6:25 a.m. EST (3:25 a.m. PST) with the spacecraft in its scheduled 3.5-hour period orbit. The spacecraft continues to perform precisely as planned. During LOI #2, the closest approach (periselene) altitude of the spacecraft was approximately 52 miles (83 km), and the furthest distance (aposelene) altitude was an estimated 1170 miles (1870 km). Closest approach during the second LOI burn occured at 6:12 a.m. EST (3:12 a.m. PST). Periapsis is about 30 degrees north and the orbit plane is currently almost perpendicular to the Earth-Moon line, so that if one is looking at the Moon one could see the entire orbit, with periapsis to the upper right and the aposelene about one-half a lunar diameter away from the Moon to the lower left. This means that the spacecraft never gets behind the Moon as seen from Earth and continuous communications can be maintained. The third and final LOI burn is scheduled for tomorrow morning, beginning at approximately 6:27 a.m. EST (3:27 a.m. PST) and continuing for approximately 30 minutes. Following that burn, mission operations personnel report that they will be experiencing 20-minute occultations during each 2-hour orbit, increasing to 47 minutes within a week. The orbit plane is also perpendicular to the Moon-Sun line, so that the spacecraft will not go behind the Moon into shadow. The first eclipses start about 9 days after LOI burn # 3. The current spacecraft configuration is: all science instruments on, 3600 bps on the omni antenna, spinning at 12.15 rpm with the spin axis in the LOI burn attitude. To date, the spacecraft has burned 57.95% of its initial fuel load of 138 kg (approx. 304 lbs). Tomorrow's LOI burn is expected to use another 17.4%, leaving 34 kg (approx. 75 lbs). This is sufficient to maintain the spacecraft's mapping orbit under predicted circumstances throughout its primary and extended missions. A one-hour press conference and status briefing summarizing activities and accomplishments to date and highlighting upcoming events and scientific expectations for the Lunar Prospector mission is scheduled for the main auditorium at NASA Ames Research Center on Tuesday morning, Jan. 13, 1998 beginning at 9 a.m. PST (12 noon EST). The briefing will be carried live on NASA Television. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #8 January 13, 1998 - 10:00 a.m. EST (7:00 a.m. PST) The Lunar Prospector spacecraft was successfully placed into a preliminary mapping orbit this morning when the third lunar orbit insertion (LOI) burn was completed, according to missions operations personnel at the NASA Ames Mission Control Center. By firing the two aft axial thrusters on the vehicle for a period of 27 minutes, Lunar Prospector was placed into a nearly circular orbit at an altitude of approximately 100 km (63 miles). All science instruments are collecting good data, and the spacecraft continues to work precisely as planned. The LOI #3 flyby altitude was 89 km (56 miles), at an inclination of 89.93 degrees. By design, today's LOI burn was deliberately conservative in nature. Initial estimates from the navigation team are that the burn was about 4% low, and that the orbit is still somewhat elliptical at approx. 92 x 160 km (58 x 100 miles). The burn lasted for 27 minutes and used about 23.5 kg (51.7 lbs) of propellant. The spacecraft now has 34 kg (approx. 75 lbs) of propellant remaining to maintain the spacecraft's mapping orbit during its one-year nominal mission (and anticipated extended mission at lower altitude). After today's LOI burn, the spin rate was trimmed back to 12 rpm to meet science requirements. Tomorrow, Jan. 14, the science instrument gains will be "tweaked" to match the data seen in the mapping orbit. On Thursday, Jan. 15, the orbit will be made more circular in nature, the attitude oriented to the nominal attitude (spin axis perpendicular to the ecliptic plane), and the antenna switched to the medium gain antenna. Lunar occultations, where the spacecraft passes behind the Moon as seen from the Earth's ground stations, will start later today. David Morse Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 Applied Space Resources Hicksville, New York For Further Information Contact: Beth Elliott 516-579-1249 email@example.com Returning to the Moon: Retrieving Lunar Resources Applied Space Resources, Inc., plans to launch privately-funded Lunar Sample Return Mission by 30th anniversary of first robotic lunar rock retrieval. As NASA's Lunar Prospector mapping mission set off to chart the moon's mineral resources, a private company announced its plan to put lunar rock in the hands of research organizations and private citizens alike. Applied Space Resources, Inc. (ASR) of Long Island, New York says it expects to be able to offer to the general public, through commercial distribution channels, approximately ten kilograms of lunar rock at a retail price comparable to high-quality gemstones. ASR also plans to sell additional material to interested scientific research organizations. ASR says it expects to launch its lunar sample return mission, the Lunar Retriever, by September 2000, the 30th anniversary of Luna 16, the first robotic sample mission to soft land on the moon. ASR is developing a core competency in the use of existing technologies for the development of resources in near-Earth space. Its focus is to deliver spacecraft to any destination with precision, and return resources and information with equal precision, for a profit. And the resources available for development are considerable. Astronomers have plotted the orbits of 400 near-Earth asteroids a kilometer or greater in diameter, and estimate their number to be closer to 2,000. Some of them would be easier to reach and return materials from than our Moon. Because of their size and the processes by which they were formed, these asteroids have rare metals such as platinum close to the surface; in this way, they differ from Earth, where most precious metals lie far beneath the planetary crust. Both NASA and Japan are planning missions to test new technology and assay particular asteroids. As an initial mission, ASR has chosen the more modest goal of landing a spacecraft at a site on Sea of Tranquillity, gathering rock and soil and returning it safely to Earth, while leaving instruments behind for ongoing data transmission to Earth. It sees this mission as hastening the day when, for the first time in human history, individuals can gaze upon Earth's nearest neighbor while holding an affordable piece of it in their hands .. the day when businesspeople and engineers can retrieve formerly scarce resources from space. "We consider our Lunar Sample Return Mission an important demonstration of the value of space resources," says ASR Vice President Beth Elliott. Elliott points out that a lunar sample return mission costing less than $100 million could return a quantity of lunar material with enough demand in the marketplace to make the return on investment attractive to financial backers. The current market for lunar samples is restricted by low supply and characterized by extremely high prices. In 1993, a sample of lunar material said to be from the Apollo 14 mission was sold publicly despite a federal policy prohibiting private ownership of material collected during the U.S. manned lunar landings. This sample, alleged to be lunar dust collected off Dave Scott's lunar EVA suit, sold for $42,500 based on the speculation that it was lunar in origin -- scientific authentication was never performed. A subsequent sale of lunar material from one of the former Soviet Union's three successful Luna sampling missions occurred at a Sotheby's auction. A sample weighing just a few grains, less than one carat in weight, sold for an astounding $442,000 -- or $2,200 per milligram. "Missions like the Lunar Retriever are essential to understanding the resources available to a future manned lunar base, " says Jay Manifold, another ASR vice president. Manifold explains that an In-Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU) program is key to developing a manned lunar base, and key to ISRU development is having samples of lunar resources in the hands of scientists on Earth. Manifold will also be pointing out the parallels between the commercialization of near-Earth space and European voyages of exploration on January 14th in a presentation to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) at their 36th Aerospace Sciences Meeting and Exhibit in Reno, Nevada. In both instances, says Manifold, rival superpowers financed the technology of exploration, then, in the case of European exploration, retreated into the business of granting royal charters for a share of the profits. Individual entrepreneurs, finding that a purse full of coin could carry limited clout in emergencies, began to consolidate their operations, which led to the development of the corporation. A similar pattern is appearing with the advent of NASA's Discovery program and other efforts by world governments to push the financial risks of space exploration into the private sector. A copy of the presentation will be made available to the public at ASR's website on the day of the presentation [http://www.appliedspace.com] When working with potential and financial partners, ASR's principals stress the importance of entrepreneurs to opening near-Earth space to resource development. ASR will make its services available to private and public concerns alike, but will take no subsidies. "Humankind will only benefit from the resources of space when they are developed by private enterprises such as ours," says ASR CEO Denise Norris. "We intend to use our knowledge, creativity, hard work and business vision to demonstrate the viability of market-driven space missions. We will not go to the public asking them to send us into space. We will go into space first, then come to the public with something to offer: the productive utilization of the vast resources of near-Earth space." Lunar Prospector Mission Status Report #9 January 14, 1998 - 3:00 p.m. EST (12:00 noon PST) The Lunar Prospector spacecraft continues to operate nominally. The vehicle is in perfect health, and all of the science instruments are operating and collecting data, as planned. No command activities were scheduled for the past 24 hours as the operations team, which had been working around the clock with most major activities occurring during the night hours, began a transition to move command activities into daylight hours. Overall, operations continue, of course, on a 24-hour basis. Spacecraft occultations (where the spacecraft passes behind the Moon as seen from the Earth's ground stations) began on a "once-an-orbit" basis, starting at 10:54 a.m. PST yesterday. The first one lasted for about 7 minutes, and they have subsequently (and already) increased in length to 33.5 minutes. As the Moon goes around the Sun, occultations will repeat with a 14-day cycle -- 11 days with occultations and 3 days without them. Solar eclipses begin in about 8 days and, as they are related to the position of the Sun, they will repeat in half-year cycles. Consequently, missions operations personnel report that we will experience eclipses every orbit for 147 days, then 40 days without eclipses, before repeating the cycle. The final determination on the spacecraft's current preliminary mapping orbit shows the vehicle to be in a 92 x 153 km (57.5 x 95.5 mile) orbit. The inclination is 90.1 degrees and the orbit period is 2 hours (very close to the pre-launch 118-minute predict). This will be trimmed on Thursday afternoon, Jan. 15 (PST), to put the spacecraft into a more circular orbit -- within the desired 100ą20 km (62.5ą12.5 mile) orbit. 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